[Averysm09]

420 Electric Shift Problem Code List - Honda Foreman Forums : Rubicon, Rincon, Rancher and Recon Forum

This is a link to the list of error codes. Mine is "Shift Control Motor Drive Circuit"

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[ATC4ever]

Ok took the cover off which was another 3 some bolts. THEN I found the grease :O

 

[Melatv]

Hi: You don't take the shift motor apart --- you remove the cover where the shift motor went into and clean out the old grease --- put white lithium grease on them gears --- also if you removed the spindle gear it has to aligned with the shift shaft.

 

[Averysm09]

So after what seemed a lifetime, I got my new shift motor. $80 lesson learned. I'm trying to upload a photo of it, but iPhone won't cooperate. Must be the Feds. Anywho, there was a very, very small amount of grease on the grease. I went ahead and loaded the lithium grease in there like it was my job. Rode it around a little, g2g now. Thanks guys. Subject for a new post, oil smelled funny and was a little golden when I just changed it....hmmmm. Should be better now!

 

[pakrazee]

Glad it worked out for ya.

I also did this today, the grease was hard and very sticky. I cleaned it all out and applied the new lithium grease. Wow, night and day difference in shifting.:yeahbaby01:

Thank you Kentco!

 

[Averysm09]

UPDATE:

The Rancher shifts much much smoother and gets into the next gear much faster than it did before. This weekend was the first time I had really ridden it "hard" (maybe 20 miles) and tested out the grease fix. I had it happen to me twice where the display went "-" in the middle of a gear change. It's easy enough to get it back into N and i think the grease has something to do with that, but damn you pay so much money for a four wheeler and this happens? I dealt with it and probably will continue to.

Maybe a bad idea, but we traded my wife's Recon in on a new Rancher with ESP and solid rear, so basically mine without the IRS. It was the first weekend she had ridden it really at all; it only had 3 hours on it when we showed up to my buddy's house. I was thinking that it was a fluke, mine was just a bad egg. Well, her Rancher read "-" at one point too. BUT, this was different, it was an error code. ---- ---- - -. 22. Something to do with the Shift Angle Sensor I suspect and have heard about problems with these as well. Turned it off, put it in N like I have to do with mine, restarted it, and never had another problem with it. Come on HONDA!

Should've stuck with the foot shift.

 

[kentco]

Avery: There is always a bright side to every experience. In this case:

1. It was a major learning experience for you
2. You saved a GREAT deal of money over that which a dealer would have charged for the same thing.
3. You are shifting smoother now!

My compliments to you for hanging in there, for not giving up, and especially for being SO humble and admitting your mistakes to the thousands of people who look at the forum. YOU are the kind of person I would want to help repair MY atv!

 

[Averysm09]

Avery: There is always a bright side to every experience. In this case:
1. It was a major learning experience for you
2. You saved a GREAT deal of money over that which a dealer would have charged for the same thing.
3. You are shifting smoother now!

My compliments to you for hanging in there, for not giving up, and especially for being SO humble and admitting your mistakes to the thousands of people who look at the forum. YOU are the kind of person I would want to help repair MY atv!

You are absolutely right. I have learned a lot and saved some money along the way. I appreciate the kind words and encouragement. You are the most helpful person I've come across on any one of the forums I belong to: F150forum, OilBurners, FSB, and of course this one.

 

[ATC4ever]

I've got access to the repair manual now thanks to a fellow street biker, so i am going to remove these gears completely & see what the score is when i do the next oil change :dry:

 

[Averysm09]

I've got access to the repair manual now thanks to a fellow street biker, so i am going to remove these gears completely & see what the score is when i do the next oil change :dry:

I'll definitely be paying attention when the time comes.

 

[kentco]

So after what seemed a lifetime, I got my new shift motor. $80 lesson learned. I'm trying to upload a photo of it, but iPhone won't cooperate. Must be the Feds. Anywho, there was a very, very small amount of grease on the grease. I went ahead and loaded the lithium grease in there like it was my job. Rode it around a little, g2g now. Thanks guys. Subject for a new post, oil smelled funny and was a little golden when I just changed it....hmmmm. Should be better now!

Avery, Glad it worked for you.

 

[Withinside]

Broken shift spindle? J-B weld

As an update to my problem I was able to get out the little piece using the marine grade J-B weld on the end of the old spindle and putting it back into place and the next day pulled the spindle with the little piece stuck to the end of it. I tried 3 times with some 2 year old original strength J-B weld with no luck, I wasn't able to roughen up the little piece inside the engine case and the marine grade still took to it. :yeahbaby01:

 

[HondaRancher34]

Ok I am new to this and just looking for some help.

I recently purchased a 2000 Honda rancher 350 TE and I am having trouble with the shifting of the fourwheeler. When I turn the key on, no codes flash or anything, and you can shift through all gears with fourwheeler off, both up and down. Now when I start the thing and start running through the gears, if I don't give it full throttle and just "putt" through the gears everything is fine, it will shift both up and down. but if I get into fourth gear and throttle wide open, it won't allow me to shift into fifth, or back down into third, I have to turn the fourwheeler off and turn it back on and everything goes back to normal, it is not an intermittent problem, it does this every time. I read on one forum where someone said the angle sensor being bad would cause this, mine wasn't coding bad, but I went ahead and changed it.

The speedometer does not work, and when the wire connectors are plugged together for the speedometer, my gear position doesn't read, but if I unplug the speedometer, the gear position will read correctly.

I know this is a long shot but I am very frustrated and figure it cant hurt but to try and ask others with loads more knowledge then I have on these things..

Thank you all for taking the time to read my thread and any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bryce

 

[LedFTed]

very late reply

So did you get it lubed and working?

i took motor apart, every time i got it tight when i put it back together, it was binding. i could see wear on the inside that should not have been there. i got an e-bay one that is working so far. i got to learn more about proper grease for different areas. one grease definitely does not fit all. i already knew that, just not enough.

 

[StripPoker388]

I have 2016 Rubicon w/ 21 hours, I have had this prob with the fault malfunction - flashing,it want shift into gear, makes no sound,I turn it on and off , rock it back and forth, not temp sensitive,if it does go into gear then it goes into fault - then its in gear and want restart with - flashing, took it in to my dealer thought was still in warranty, It was out by 8 days, my fault thinking thats just part of dealing with the es, The dealer said the oxygen sensor was making it go into fault mode ,flashing -, I didn't believe it,still Dont believe thats what was wrong, t They said they were going try and get Honda do goodwill, said they would cover it that the atv still looked new,I even took my cover because they set them outside untill they work on them,its never been in the mud or even rained on. got it back working then next day it stopped, found manual on line did the dia, it has code 42, when thru all the connections etc, reset the computer , it clicked about 2 times then went back to fault 42, called Honda they said I need take it back, they wold document i, They acted like they were the one that would authorize the good will warranty after the dealer ck's it out.Then Honda said it was up to the dealer and the locall Honda regional rep named Sam to do a goodwill warranty, with it being out of warranty Im betting they want cover it, especially after guessing at the oxygen sensor. im guessing its in the harness,shift motor/sen,ecm. Ive read the angle sensor could cause it but with the code 42?

what do youall think?

Im guessing Ill end up having to fix it myself, going thru the steps in the manual.etc.

Thanks for any help

Rob

 

[HCSMAN]

Kentco, et al.,

I have a 2012 Rancher 420FPE (electric shift). While plowing snow in February, the ES started acting up. Here are the symptoms and what I've done since:

1. Wouldn't go from 1st to 2nd gear, but would go into reverse (in fact, when placing it in reverse, it would jump from directly from 1 to R with one push on down button).

2. A couple times, if I could get it to 2nd or 3rd and ride around a bit, then everything would work well until the next time I started the machine.

3. Then, when trying to shift into 1st, it would click as if it were going into first--and the 1 would appear on the screen--but then drop back to neutral ("N").

4. Pressing the up shift button several times, I could eventually get it into first.

5. Now, it will only go into reverse or neutral, no forward shifting.

6. I pulled, cleaned, and reassembled the shift motor.
7. Also pulled the cover the shift motor is mounted to in order to check the gears, etc. Nothing broken or worn in there.

So here are my questions:

1. First, I made the mistake of not checking the orientation of the gears under the cover, so what procedure would you recommend in order to get them back in proper places?

2. Once things are back in place--and if nothing changes--what do you think the shifting issue might be?

*Dealer told me it was most likely a battery issue, that the battery was now five years old and ready to be replaced. I charged it (12.5 volts) and still no change in the shifting problem.

*A local, independent ATV repair tech told me this morning it is most likely the shift motor, and that I should just replace it (worn brushes, that sort of thing).

3. I have also read that the shift angle sensor could be the culprit--what do you think? I'm not sure where it is on the 2012 420FPE, but the local tech said it was built into the shift motor.

Anyway, thanks for any help any of you might be able to give to this newbie to the forum.

Sincerely,

HCSMAN

 

[Wsg]

When reinstalling the gears there is a 2 marks to align the arm. Make sure you clean all old grease out and only use lithium when regreasing and make sure bearing are fine as well. Get your battery load tested if you need a battery get it. If your battery load tests ok then it will be good for now. Some have said it's easier to winch the front up in the air to assist in reassembly. After these steps let us know the results


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[LedFTed]

shifter moter

So did you get it lubed and working?

i took motor apart, every time i got it tight when i put it back together, it was binding. i could see wear on the inside that should not have been there. i got an e-bay one that is working so far. i got to learn more about proper grease for different areas. one grease definitely does not fit all. i already knew that, just not enough.

my e-pray shifter motor is in the way out. made in china. should have payed more attention about original parts, made in japan. lesson learned the wallet way. the school, of hard knocks, is the only school, is the only school where you start paying attention. //Ed ;~}
it almost made a year...

 

[shadetree]

So did you get it lubed and working?

i took motor apart, every time i got it tight when i put it back together, it was binding. i could see wear on the inside that should not have been there. i got an e-bay one that is working so far. i got to learn more about proper grease for different areas. one grease definitely does not fit all. i already knew that, just not enough.

my e-pray shifter motor is in the way out. made in china. should have payed more attention about original parts, made in japan. lesson learned the wallet way. the school, of hard knocks, is the only school, is the only school where you start paying attention. //Ed ;~}
it almost made a year...

can't even count how many times I keep saying...DONT BUY CHINA CHIT !..LMAO.

 

[Eman]

Thanks for this thread kentco....after doing this my Honda shifting better then ever