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Well the title pretty much says it all. I have a 98 300ex and the starter is turning backwards. It is not possible to hook it up backwards cause there is only one wire going to it. I tried to unhook it and just run a wire from the battery straight to the starter and it turns backwards. I just got it could it be that someone put the wrong starter on it?:angry:
 

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Well the title pretty much says it all. I have a 98 300ex and the starter is turning backwards. It is not possible to hook it up backwards cause there is only one wire going to it. I tried to unhook it and just run a wire from the battery straight to the starter and it turns backwards. I just got it could it be that someone put the wrong starter on it?:angry:
I've heard of this happening a few times. One person said it happened after they put a timing chain in and put the ATV back together. They didn't figure out the problem, but they replaced the starter with a new one. They said the starter hadn't been messed with, so I don't have a clue what happened there. Another person had just rebuilt the starter and said they ended up pulling the starter back apart and redid it and it starting turning in the right direction.
 

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BTW, how did you determine that the starter was turning backwards?
 

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I took the starter drive cover off and was messing around cause it wouldnt turn over. I held the gears in with my hand and hit the starter button and noticed that it was trying to turn the engine counter-clockwise and naturally the starter drive wouldnt engage the flywheel. so it just spins freely
 

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I took the starter drive cover off and was messing around cause it wouldnt turn over. I held the gears in with my hand and hit the starter button and noticed that it was trying to turn the engine counter-clockwise and naturally the starter drive wouldnt engage the flywheel. so it just spins freely
The reason I asked is because if the starter clutch (one-way bearing) is bad, the starter will just spin and not turn the engine over. It will turn the gear on the back of the flywheel, but it won't turn the flywheel.
 

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yeah thats what I thought was going on at first. But if you turn the gears the right direction everything works fine the starter is just running backwards. Only thing I can figure is that when i looked at it to buy it the guy used a jump box to turn it over and he hooked it directly to the starter. I bet he hooked it up backwards and it reversed the polarity of the starter.
 

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Only thing I can figure is that when i looked at it to buy it the guy used a jump box to turn it over and he hooked it directly to the starter. I bet he hooked it up backwards and it reversed the polarity of the starter.
I don't really understand how it would reverse the polarity, but I have heard about that happening, so maybe that is the problem.
 

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yes..you can hook up the starter backwards..been there..done that !..if you put the neg on the starter pos post..and pos on the neg to the battery..it will make the starter turn backwards..make sure your lead that hooks up to your battery is on the pos side of the relay...and the other lead goes to the pos side on the battery..and your neg is on the frame/ground..and like helmut said..it can be that your one-way starter bearing behind the flywheel is bad..i kinda doubt it though..but...it does happen..first rule out which way your starter is turning by making sure your battery leads are all hooked up right..then if all thats good..you either got the wrong starter..or your one-way bearing is bad behind the flywheel.
 

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yes..you can hook up the starter backwards..been there..done that !..if you put the neg on the starter pos post..and pos on the neg to the battery..it will make the starter turn backwards..make sure your lead that hooks up to your battery is on the pos side of the relay...and the other lead goes to the pos side on the battery..and your neg is on the frame/ground..and like helmut said..it can be that your one-way starter bearing behind the flywheel is bad..i kinda doubt it though..but...it does happen..first rule out which way your starter is turning by making sure your battery leads are all hooked up right..then if all thats good..you either got the wrong starter..or your one-way bearing is bad behind the flywheel.
I think he means someone hooked it up backwards and it permanently reversed the polarity on the starter, even when it's hooked up right now. I don't understand how that could happen and I've never seen it happen, but I have heard of it a few times before. I've even tried to replicate the problem with an extra starter that I had. When reversing the cables, it would run backwards, but when I changed them back the right way, it would run in the correct direction. I couldn't replicate the problem.
 

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yes..you can hook up the starter backwards..been there..done that !..if you put the neg on the starter pos post..and pos on the neg to the battery..it will make the starter turn backwards..make sure your lead that hooks up to your battery is on the pos side of the relay...and the other lead goes to the pos side on the battery..and your neg is on the frame/ground..and like helmut said..it can be that your one-way starter bearing behind the flywheel is bad..i kinda doubt it though..but...it does happen..first rule out which way your starter is turning by making sure your battery leads are all hooked up right..then if all thats good..you either got the wrong starter..or your one-way bearing is bad behind the flywheel.
I think he means someone hooked it up backwards and it permanently reversed the polarity on the starter, even when it's hooked up right now. I don't understand how that could happen and I've never seen it happen, but I have heard of it a few times before. I've even tried to replicate the problem with an extra starter that I had. When reversing the cables, it would run backwards, but when I changed them back the right way, it would run in the correct direction. I couldn't replicate the problem.
sounds like someone had the battery leads hooked up wrong then..this is the only thing that will make the starter turn backwards. as for making it permanently making the starter turn backwards after this is done..no..can't happen..at least i've never seen it done.
 

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as for making it permanently making the starter turn backwards after this is done..no..can't happen..at least i've never seen it done.
I won't go as far as to say that it can't happen. I've heard of it happening a few times and the people telling me wouldn't have had a reason to lie. I've never seen it personally, either, but that don't mean it can't happen. I read somewhere on the internet that it was possible to cause them to change polarity. What I read said that by hooking the cables up backwards, it would sometimes cause the magnets in the starter to reverse polarity. But like I said, I couldn't replicate the problem, so I don't know.
 

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I took an old cable I had and ran it straight from the battery to the starter and ta-da! ran backwards. I remember when I was a kid on the farm my dad cussing and carrying on cause one of the hired hands hooked cables up backwards on one of our old tractors and reversed the polarity on the starter. I dont understand it and I dont want to sound stupid but I am telling you it runs backwards. If you would like I will send it around to you guys and you can see it with your own 2 eyes. I just quit scratchin my head over it and ordered a starter, but I promise I will keep that one forever!!! Thanks for the input guys I really appreciate it!!:icon_ rocker:
 

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I took an old cable I had and ran it straight from the battery to the starter and ta-da! ran backwards. I remember when I was a kid on the farm my dad cussing and carrying on cause one of the hired hands hooked cables up backwards on one of our old tractors and reversed the polarity on the starter. I dont understand it and I dont want to sound stupid but I am telling you it runs backwards. If you would like I will send it around to you guys and you can see it with your own 2 eyes. I just quit scratchin my head over it and ordered a starter, but I promise I will keep that one forever!!! Thanks for the input guys I really appreciate it!!:icon_ rocker:
keep in mind..not all starters turn the same way..they do make some that turn backwards from others..most of these are on older atv's. i bet the first owner got the wrong starter from the get go..and wired it up so it would run backwards...but..like i said..if you reverse the battery leads comming from the battery..it will make the starter go backwards....when i first got my '89 trx350d foreman home..and on one of my '' testing starts ''..it cranked over right. well..the next time..i hooked my wires all up ( at least i thought i did ? ) then it was free spinning. i thought..wtf..my starter transfer gears strip out ???..took it all apart..checked them..they were ok..soo..i pushed the start button ( with the starter gear cover off..watched which way the starter was going..and for some reason..now it was turning backwards ????..i thought..wait a min..two days ago..it cranked up..now it's free spining the starter one-way bearing because the starter is going backwards !!!..well..after tracing down my so called ( hooking my battery leads up )..i discovered that i hooked the pos and neg leads up backwards !!!..sooo..i switched them around..and sure enough..now when i pushed the start button..it cranked the motor over..sooooo..bottom line here...yes..you can hook up the starter to run backwards.
 

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this is kind of a funny discussion as ive seen this happen before, and yes you can flip the polarity of the magnets if the voltage is strong enough. had a guy use a jump box and did it somehow, even after rebuilding the starter with new brushes and cleaning the commutator it STILL turned backwards. of course the manuals and honda insist never jump off a bike or use jump boxes because the smaller wiring in the harnesses (and now the computers) cannot take the jolt of the high amperage coming from said practices. always take the battery out and charge it or replace it with a new one.

the other way to reverse a starter is like shadetree said, hook the battery up backwards. when replacing the battery make sure to buy the correct one, a YTX14L-BS battery (and its aftermarket variants changing the Y from Yuasa to any number of brands) is the same as a YTX14-BS battery in every way except for one important factor, L in the battery number means LEFT SIDE NEGATIVE POST. This is another common way to accidentally reverse the polarity of a machine by simply installing the wrong version of the right battery correctly.

one other way that is really comical as a side note, if you kickstart a yamaha YFS200 blaster and its in reverse, its because the flywheel key partially sheared and makes the engine RUN backwards.

the last example of something going backwards actually comes from John Deere, the flywheels are light on some of their diesel equipment, and it is possible to load the engine up so hard that the engine stalls. when this happens and if there is enough lash in the driveline from the axle splines to the transmission gears, when the driveline unloads it will sometimes spin the engine over backwards and even START the engine RUNNING BACKWARDS pulling air in from the exhaust and blowing it out the intake. most hilarious if you ask me, didnt believe it at first but had a tech show me a sooted up air filter my response was "SERIOUSLY?!" and much laughter ensued afterwards.
 

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Well the title pretty much says it all. I have a 98 300ex and the starter is turning backwards. It is not possible to hook it up backwards cause there is only one wire going to it. I tried to unhook it and just run a wire from the battery straight to the starter and it turns backwards. I just got it could it be that someone put the wrong starter on it?😠
Same issue, I have a Noco smart charger, I wonder if this did it on mine, charging battery while still hooked up.
 

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sounds like someone had the battery leads hooked up wrong then..this is the only thing that will make the starter turn backwards. as for making it permanently making the starter turn backwards after this is done..no..can't happen..at least i've never seen it done.
Dude I placed my starter on a steel table to do repairs on atv and hooked it back up it was running backwards maybe my magnetic bolt holder got to close but its crazy
 
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