Let's not confuse the 400AT's and '01-'14 Rubicon's hondamatics with the common ES models though. Yes the hondamatics have an 'ES' mode, and they both have angle sensors and shift motors, but other than that they are apples and oranges.
Electronically, they are very similar as far as how the ES system works. ES just means "Electronic Shift" Meaning the shift motor changes the gear as opposed to the rider having to shift with their foot. Im just asking about water because with these models moisture tends to get into the ecm because of its location, unless they relocated them on newer models.
Agreed on the similarities.
I'm just saying in 'Honda speak" the ES (Electronic Shift) models are a very specific subset of models that the Rancher 400AT and Rubicon are not part of.
Recon ES (TRX250TE)
Rancher ES (TRX350TE, TRX350FE, TRX420TE, TRX420FE)
Foreman ES (TRX450FE, TRX500FE)
Those are the "ES" honda models. I would never call our Rancher 400AT's (TRX400FA) an ES model because they are not a footshift model like the ones listed above that have the ES added. The 400AT's (and '01-'14 Rubicon's) do have an ESP mode for push button shifting.
I am tracking with you when you say "these ES bikes" but I'm just trying to keep it distinguished for the people that may not know all the ins and outs of these that the 400AT's and Rubicons are not ES models by honda model naming standards.
Glad to have you aboard, I'm surer you've already helped others with the new workaround you've shared. Great review on your new Rancher as well.