Honda ATV Forum banner

1 - 20 of 20 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
37 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
This thing must be possessed...as there can be no other logical solution.

I have a new CDI box in it

A new coil

A new Ricky Stator -Stator and pickup

A new wiring harness

AND A NEW PLUG

Still no spark....but the stator is lighting the lights as you pull it over.

Now before anyone says the switches---- they are unhooked at the wiring harness...

The ground I have moved from the frame to the engine without any luck

The Neutral safety switch has been disconnected.

Could it possibly be the FLYWHEEL?? DO THEY GO BAD?? WHAT CAN GO BAD WITH A FLYWHEEL?? When I first removed it I gave it some heat and a small bit of black substance came out of a couple of the holes...not much though

HHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPP!

:funnypolaris:
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
7,533 Posts
The lights may be your problem Try unplugging the lights and see if it will start. They could be pulling all the power away from the coil.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
38,518 Posts
try plugging the nuetral switch wire back in..see if you get spark then..unless the cdi doesn't know it's in neutral..it wont fire..shouldn't anyway...correct me if i'm wrong anyone :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
37 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
Lights were only plugged in for a test... the switch has been tried both ways....think its time to cut the gas line and light it on fire...
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
23,581 Posts
This thing must be possessed...as there can be no other logical solution.

I have a new CDI box in it

A new coil

A new Ricky Stator -Stator and pickup

A new wiring harness

AND A NEW PLUG

Still no spark....but the stator is lighting the lights as you pull it over.

Now before anyone says the switches---- they are unhooked at the wiring harness...

The ground I have moved from the frame to the engine without any luck

The Neutral safety switch has been disconnected.

Could it possibly be the FLYWHEEL?? DO THEY GO BAD?? WHAT CAN GO BAD WITH A FLYWHEEL?? When I first removed it I gave it some heat and a small bit of black substance came out of a couple of the holes...not much though

HHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPP!

:funnypolaris:
How hot did you get the flywheel/magneto wheel? The heat may have made the magnets lose some of their magnetism. Heat will do this to some types of magnets. I know it will speaker magnets in car speakers. I wanted to remove the magnet from an old car speaker once and I put it on a stove burner and turned the heat on until it melted the glue. I took a pair of channel lock pliers and removed it. When it cooled down, it wouldn't stick to metal at all. I have took the magnets off of old speakers before, like this, and if you don't get it too hot, they will still retain their magnetic properties. If you get them hot enough that the magnet will fall off, without twisting and pulling on it with the pliers, then it will lose it's magnetic properties.

I also broke a piece of magnet off of a magneto wheel once and it would run, but I had to pull it off with a vehicle to start it and then you had to keep it revved up high or it would quit.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
38,518 Posts
you probally have already checked this..butttttt....did you check to make sure you grounded your coil ??..see if you missed connecting the ground wire to the coil by any chance.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
18,227 Posts
Hmmm Helmut may be onto something. But I still must ask... you had the switches unhooked did you bypass them too? not the neutral switch you do know you have to bypass the wiring and not the switch right? I'm not trying to be a smart butt but it's hard to see something that's not in front of you.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
37 Posts
Discussion Starter #9
How hot did you get the flywheel/magneto wheel? The heat may have made the magnets lose some of their magnetism. Heat will do this to some types of magnets. I know it will speaker magnets in car speakers. I wanted to remove the magnet from an old car speaker once and I put it on a stove burner and turned the heat on until it melted the glue. I took a pair of channel lock pliers and removed it. When it cooled down, it wouldn't stick to metal at all. I have took the magnets off of old speakers before, like this, and if you don't get it too hot, they will still retain their magnetic properties. If you get them hot enough that the magnet will fall off, without twisting and pulling on it with the pliers, then it will lose it's magnetic properties.

I also broke a piece of magnet off of a magneto wheel once and it would run, but I had to pull it off with a vehicle to start it and then you had to keep it revved up high or it would quit.[/QUOTE]

Not That hot....and the magnets are still very strong in them...I mean... the thing still fires the lights up when I pull it over... there has to be something I am missing...a wire that should be hooked up and is not...or something very dumb.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
37 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
Hmmm Helmut may be onto something. But I still must ask... you had the switches unhooked did you bypass them too? not the neutral switch you do know you have to bypass the wiring and not the switch right? I'm not trying to be a smart butt but it's hard to see something that's not in front of you.

Would pictures help? I am ready to try anything!
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
23,581 Posts
you probally have already checked this..butttttt....did you check to make sure you grounded your coil ??..see if you missed connecting the ground wire to the coil by any chance.
not sure what you mean by this....
Your ignition coil should be grounded by one of two ways.

(1) It should have two wires going to the coil. One is a ground and one is a positive.

(2) If there is only one wire(positive) going to the coil, then, the coil grounds by bolting to the frame.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
38,518 Posts
you are correct helmut..some coils have two wires going to them..one goes to the coil..other goes through the coil bolt hole to the frame, and on some bikes..they have both wires going straight to the coil :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
37 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
Ok...This thing is back to being possessed...

I got this thing running PERFECTLY and gave it to my 10 year old nephew for his birthday a few months ago...Dont know who was more excited to have it...him or his dad. They rode the heck out of it in their yard and street...ran and started perfect everytime. 1 pull and it was purring... Well here is the kicker...

My brother brings his atvs in every year to a shop that goes through them ..basically lubes...and repairs any trivial thing that needs attention. HE BROUGHT THIS HONDA 90 TO THEM AND ASKED IF THEY COULD FINE TUNE THE CARB...AS THE PLUG WAS A BIT DARK AFTER RUNNING IT FOR A FEW HOURS.

THEY (the shop) drove it off the trailer....THEY drove it around their lot...THEY drove it around their offroad course...then they ordered a new carb kit. That was 2 months ago.. Somehow they did something and guess what... IT NO LONGER HAS SPARK!

I have told my brother it is their problem as he handed them a running machine.... and they need to undue whatever they messed up.

ANY THOUGHTS?? AM I BEING UNREASONABLE?
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
38,518 Posts
i would say..who ever had it last..needs to fix it..this is me though..as i know..working on these bikes..don't come cheap.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
23,581 Posts
Yeah, it sounds reasonable for them to fix it, since they were working on it. I would try to get them to fix it, but at the very least, I would try to get them to supply the labor.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
37 Posts
Discussion Starter #19
I agree...if a part went kafloeey...I could see paying for that.... but they should at least troubleshoot it and make it run....still sucks...as I put a lot of time, money , and effort into this 90 for the kid.... and now it sits in a shop.... not even being worked on....and my brother....afraid to confront them....
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4 Posts
When you moved the ground, where did you move it to? And where from? I am not getting spark in my 93 trx 90. Replaced, ignition, cdi, stator, plug, and coil....I'm at a loss
 
1 - 20 of 20 Posts
Top