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My 2006 Rancher 4wd tires are OEM and have decent but worn tread but since they are 13 years old I think its time for new. The OEM ones are Wanda ? and the replacements are 6 ply rated nylon with tread .79 deep. The Bear Claws K299 are also 6 ply rated and with .58 deep tread.

I do not plan on deep mud riding, just dirt / grass trails and winter snow... maybe. If I do get in mud I would not like to use my winch. I doubt if I will ever wear the new tires out, not going to be an everyday off road rider.

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Bear Claws are good. They will shed mud and resist cactus

I prefer Mud Lite AT i run them on all my rigs said they are made in USA
 

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Bear Claws are good. They will shed mud and resist cactus

I prefer Mud Lite AT i run them on all my rigs said they are made in USA
I just went out and looked at my old ones, they are Bridgestone and the worn tread measures from a 1/4 to 3/8 inch deep.

I know nothing about the Wanda's on Amazon but their tread is .79 inch new, Bear Claws are .58 new.
 

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I also run nothing but mudlite AT's, they work great for my style of riding. I don't do deep mud, lakes, none of that. 6-ply rating, they work great in sand, light mud, dirt, trails, gravel, just about every where I go, they have not let me down. pretty light tire at that.
 

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I also run nothing but mudlite AT's, they work great for my style of riding. I don't do deep mud, lakes, none of that. 6-ply rating, they work great in sand, light mud, dirt, trails, gravel, just about every where I go, they have not let me down. pretty light tire at that.
Dennis Jerk says you need rim locks with those do you have them installed? I think the Kenda tires are made in USA, not sure about the Wanda.. never heard of that brand.
 

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Another all round good tire is Zilla. Lightest tire on market. Good at everything... I also agree that Kenda BearClaws & Mudlites are a great choice as well.
 

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I also run nothing but mudlite AT's, they work great for my style of riding. I don't do deep mud, lakes, none of that. 6-ply rating, they work great in sand, light mud, dirt, trails, gravel, just about every where I go, they have not let me down. pretty light tire at that.
Dennis Jerk says you need rim locks with those do you have them installed? I think the Kenda tires are made in USA, not sure about the Wanda.. never heard of that brand.
rim locks ??..never have used any of those on all my mudlite's.
 

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I wonder how you can make a tire lighter, unless your using less rubber or something else?
 

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I wonder how you can make a tire lighter, unless your using less rubber or something else?
you have to remember that its not just less rubber, its the TYPE of rubber used and the process they use to make a tire that separates one tire from another
HOW a tire is constructed matters
and bead locks are typically only needed for when your rock crawling and running very very low air pressure
very few atv ties require bead locks so you know
Zila's are tuff tires but they don't ride very smoothly IMO

bear claws are decent tires most folks like them and will be a step up from the OEM tires you had! but there are tons of great tires out there these days
bear claws, Big Horns, Pit Bulls, do tend to be at the top of most lists for great all around use tires!
 

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I used to do the HVAC service at the local Firestone plant not far from here. Rubber comes in from wherever and its not black!! They add the black and run through a lot of processing before it gets sent down to where they made the tires.

I think the OEM tires are no longer made so that is when I found those Wanda branded ones. Turns out they and Kenda and the ITP ones are made either in China, Taiwan or Vietnam. The Wanda is closest to the OEM Bridgestone, that I could find. Weights on all are pretty close within 2 lbs anyway.
 

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I used to do the HVAC service at the local Firestone plant not far from here. Rubber comes in from wherever and its not black!! They add the black and run through a lot of processing before it gets sent down to where they made the tires.

I think the OEM tires are no longer made so that is when I found those Wanda branded ones. Turns out they and Kenda and the ITP ones are made either in China, Taiwan or Vietnam. The Wanda is closest to the OEM Bridgestone, that I could find. Weights on all are pretty close within 2 lbs anyway.
yes but still all rubber is NOT the same make up, its chemically made, and mixtures are NOT all the same for every rubber in a tire

I worked for 20+ yrs in a multi billion dollar a yr company and we had rubber squeegee's for some machines that had over 150 different rubber make ups, differences were very VERY slight, to do the exact same job, and all them differences would add up to some lasting longer than others, some being Harder( rubber durometer scale reading) or softer and , it totally changed the way the machine would work!
the exact same thing is with tires, rubber on "X" brand and model tire, maybe different to tire"Z" even from the same company!
its why there are snow tires(softer rubber) longer mileage tires, stiffer side walls, different compounds grab different things differently and wear differently, flex differently and so on!
your time doing HAVC work at firestone, didn;t scratch the surface of what a is going in in there mixtures for there tires, and I BET , many of there mixtures are patented too!, meaning other company's cannot use the same mixture without there permission and vice versa!

OEM ATV makers tend to use the cheapest junk they can get ina tire and they also tend to use the SOFTEST tire they can, to get a smoother ride out of there atv's
SPORT atv's being the exception and maybe specifically made MUD machines that come with better tires from the get go

but basic atv's tend to get JUNK stock tires, and one of the very first things buyers get rid of!

if you do NOT trail ride much, and sty on your home lands, stock tires are all many need
but those that venture far and wide, soon realize how weak stock tires are and want out of them!
 

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With tires it seems you can鈥檛 have it all, usually the super light tires I see end up being fast wearing and less puncture resistant than heavier tires of similar tread. For example, Mud Bugs and Zillas. The zillas are lighter, but softer, and wear faster than the Mud Bugs. Both are made by the same company (Maxxis) and have similar lug height and are both kind of an AT tire.


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I ended up ordering the Kenda Bear Claws and they should be here tomorrow. The only way to make tires lighter is to use less of something and you can't make rubber lighter by adding chemicals. The lightweight tires are made in a different way, stronger with less materials. I don't need lighter, the difference between these and the lighter ones was 2 or 3 pounds each and they were at least $5 more each.
 

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I ended up ordering the Kenda Bear Claws and they should be here tomorrow. The only way to make tires lighter is to use less of something and you can't make rubber lighter by adding chemicals. The lightweight tires are made in a different way, stronger with less materials. I don't need lighter, the difference between these and the lighter ones was 2 or 3 pounds each and they were at least $5 more each.
its NOT just the chemicals compound of the rubber that makes a tire lighter than another, its the BUILD of the tire
and all parts in it
there is a a DIFFERENCE in both weight and durability , based on the compounds of the rubber and the other parts in with it that MAKE the tire!
ALL rubber is NOT the same PERIOD
some ATV tires weight a LOT more than 3-5 lbs between models too, there NOT all this close in weight if you look at a lot of types of SAME sided tires!
tread pattern also contributes to weight of the tires, not just size of tire too!
 

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The lightweight tires are made in a different way, stronger with less materials.

Did you read this ^^ what I posted? You can not change the specific weight of rubber by adding chemicals. I am old enough to be your grandfather and have been buying tires for MC's, Cars and Trucks all my life. I am well aware of the difference in compounds and difference in tire construction.
 

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All I鈥檓 saying is that lighter tires almost always have softer rubber and puncture easier, thinner carcass maybe, there are plenty of heavy tires too with soft compounds I just used the zilla and mud bug as an example.

I doubt you鈥檙e old enough to be Stan鈥檚 grandfather but I鈥檝e been wrong before lol


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All I鈥檓 saying is that lighter tires almost always have softer rubber and puncture easier, thinner carcass maybe, there are plenty of heavy tires too with soft compounds I just used the zilla and mud bug as an example.

I doubt you鈥檙e old enough to be Stan鈥檚 grandfather but I鈥檝e been wrong before lol


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Well I will be 76 in July and have owned Scooters, Motorcycles, Snowmobiles, and Side by Sides but never a quad before. My kids think I am nuts and I will kill myself, better than sitting in the retirement home waiting for lunch!!
 

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no your not old enough to be my grand father LOL
and I too have been buying tires all my life, on like things, add in some tractors and other construction equipment, plus a lot of yrs racing things on tires too( racing on water and snow as well )
and YES there are things they can add to rubber to make it lighter
hate to bust your bubble, but this is a FACT
you can add chemicals and other things to change the weight of rubber as well as other things, to make size of items LIGHTER!
 

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boy.and here I thought winch threads got bad ?..lol. this is the #1 reason I try my best ( notice I said try ? )...to stay out of tire threads..way to many thoughts on which tire is best, so forth, so on. from now on, if a member ask what a good tire is ?, then just say what you run on your atv, why you like them, and leave it at that !. there is no reason what so ever to argue over what tire is better than the other, soooooooooo..with that said, from now on, if a tire, winch, whatever thread starts to head down hill ?, I will close it fast, please try to keep it nice, thank you :).
 

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Is the Harbor Freight Mini tire changer any good? With my 20% coupon its around $38 ? If I can鈥檛 find someone to do it in town?
 
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