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I'm still getting a ticking noise even after replacing my timing chain. Started wondering if I'm using the wrong mark on the flywheel. I've known there was a second mark just past where I've been using but I could clearly see the "T" on the top mark, so that's what I use. My eyes aren't so good. Today I pulled the cover off my spare to get a good look at the flywheel. Now I'm thinking I should be using the lower mark with the "T" turned sideways.

Which is it?

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If the cam journals are good and the compression release cam/lever is not bouncing off of the rocker arm while its running, my guess is that it might be a slight exhaust gasket leak on one of the header pipes. Sometimes those two pipes don't fit the same (difficult to center each of them perfectly over the exhaust ports) after they are unbolted from the head the first time.
this crossed my mind retro ^^^. I tried to watch the decompression lever to see if it was bouncing ?, I could not see it moving ?. then I thought about the exhaust leak. what's odd is, he said something about the cam chain needing replacing in his first few post, but I don't think he put a new chain in ?.
D.I.D chain #SCA0412ASDHA114.

I don't believe the decompression lever is making contact with the rocker arm. I can't feel it through the lever, but I can manually rotate it a bit and make it bounce off the rocker arms though :)

I had thought of an exhaust leak when my top end refresh seemed to cause the noise in a previously quiet motor, retro. I'll take a closer look tomorrow evening. I've had the header pipe off this motor a couple times now. The crush gaskets were compressed evenly, the last time, so I felt that might indicate it sealed. Used new exhaust gaskets and even took time to straighten out the header pipe flange mounts the last time I bolted it on.

I've got a couple hour run time since I set the valve clearance. I was planning to check them about now, anyhow. I don't expect to find them out of whack though. I set them with the motor on my workbench and I've never had an easier time making sure they were right.
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I'd look at swapping in a different chain tensioner next then. Sometimes they don't hold on to their full extension against the chain guide very well... I've seen them give up a couple clicks and be sloppy while the motor is running, yet be fully extended again once the motor is shut down. They're difficult to pin down... so easiest is swap one in and see it it makes a difference?

It sounds like you fixed the pipes already. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to get sprung out of line the moment you take them off. :)
stick the cam chain tensioner in the cylinder like you see me doing in this pic, if its anywhere close to the distance this shows ?, you got something wrong ?, or the tensioner is not working right ?. unbolt yours, let it fully extend, then push it back in the cylinder like your going to bolt it up. if the cam chain is good , and the tensioner is working right ?, it should not be anywhere as close as this pic shows !. you should feel the tensioner hit the chain guide wayyyyyyy before you get close to the cylinder.

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I checked out the tensioner last night. I cant force it to retract by pushing on it against the bench, only by turning the screw. Before I replaced the chain I had a little less than a half inch before it made contact with the chain guide, now I've got about an inch. I may swap it anyhow, since it only takes a few minutes.
I checked out the tensioner last night. I cant force it to retract by pushing on it against the bench, only by turning the screw. Before I replaced the chain I had a little less than a half inch before it made contact with the chain guide, now I've got about an inch. I may swap it anyhow, since it only takes a few minutes.
if you have an inch on the tensioner before it touches the cylinder when fully out ?, then there is nothing wrong with either it or chain.
If you can retract that tensioner without turning the screw then it's no good...... also set the lash with a tight drag on the feeler

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If you can retract that tensioner without turning the screw then it's no good...... also set the lash with a tight drag on the feeler

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Tensioner is solid. I'll give that adjustment suggestion a shot. I know I'm currently set on a light drag.

Torqued down the header mounting nuts a little last night. I don't believe I'm leaking. Pretty sure the noise is rocker arm/valve related. I could feel the rocker vibration through the brass caps on the side of the cover. The pulsing matches the ticking noise. Maybe I've just been setting the valves too loose. I'll feel dumb if that's all it is, but I can live with that easier than the ticking noise
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If you can retract that tensioner without turning the screw then it's no good...... also set the lash with a tight drag on the feeler

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Tensioner is solid. I'll give that adjustment suggestion a shot. I know I'm currently set on a light drag.

Torqued down the header mounting nuts a little last night. I don't believe I'm leaking. Pretty sure the noise is rocker arm/valve related. I could feel the rocker vibration through the brass caps on the side of the cover. The pulsing matches the ticking noise. Maybe I've just been setting the valves too loose. I'll feel dumb if that's all it is, but I can live with that easier than the ticking noise
I just gottaaaaaaaaaaa ask ( go figure )..when your adjusting the valves, are you doing it on a stone cold engine ?, or you doing this on a warm engine at any point ?. reason: you can not adjust the valves on an engine that has been ran for any amount of time !, it has to be done on a cold engine.
If you can retract that tensioner without turning the screw then it's no good...... also set the lash with a tight drag on the feeler



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Tensioner is solid. I'll give that adjustment suggestion a shot. I know I'm currently set on a light drag.



Torqued down the header mounting nuts a little last night. I don't believe I'm leaking. Pretty sure the noise is rocker arm/valve related. I could feel the rocker vibration through the brass caps on the side of the cover. The pulsing matches the ticking noise. Maybe I've just been setting the valves too loose. I'll feel dumb if that's all it is, but I can live with that easier than the ticking noise
You want a tight drag and adjusted on a cold engine. I set the drag so I actually have to use a little force to get it back in between the tappet and valve

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and just so you know ?..again..these old girls are very picky about the correct valve adjustment !!!!..lol.
If you can retract that tensioner without turning the screw then it's no good...... also set the lash with a tight drag on the feeler



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Tensioner is solid. I'll give that adjustment suggestion a shot. I know I'm currently set on a light drag.



Torqued down the header mounting nuts a little last night. I don't believe I'm leaking. Pretty sure the noise is rocker arm/valve related. I could feel the rocker vibration through the brass caps on the side of the cover. The pulsing matches the ticking noise. Maybe I've just been setting the valves too loose. I'll feel dumb if that's all it is, but I can live with that easier than the ticking noise
You want a tight drag and adjusted on a cold engine. I set the drag so I actually have to use a little force to get it back in between the tappet and valve

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lol bro, we both chimed in about the cold engine adjustment...lol.
Went from a slight drag on the feeler to a tight drag. Doesn't seem to have made a difference. Maybe a little?

Well it sounds like you've ruled almost everything out except for the rocker arms and shafts? Did those shafts look worn at all (the intake rocker shaft wears the fastest of the two) when you had them out of the cover?
something is not right with the rockers ?, valve adjustments ?. is plenty of oil reaching the rocker box ?. I know for a fact something is not right with the first two I mention here !.
I'll pull the cover off and check those rocker arms again. I put new 0-rings on them but didn't inspect the shafts too closely. I have a spare cover set that I haven't pulled the arms out of because I couldn't easily get the dowel pins out. I'll work them over some more and stick the best one back on. Thanks guys.
I'll pull the cover off and check those rocker arms again. I put new 0-rings on them but didn't inspect the shafts too closely. I have a spare cover set that I haven't pulled the arms out of because I couldn't easily get the dowel pins out. I'll work them over some more and stick the best one back on. Thanks guys.
I am more worried about the rocker faces than the shafts !. that, and the cam lobes.
I'll pull the cover off and check those rocker arms again. I put new 0-rings on them but didn't inspect the shafts too closely. I have a spare cover set that I haven't pulled the arms out of because I couldn't easily get the dowel pins out. I'll work them over some more and stick the best one back on. Thanks guys.
speaking of you tinkering with the rockers..i just gotta ask !..lol, any slight chance you put the rockers back in backwards ???..as in..intake on exhaust side, and exhaust on intake back on the shafts ??..lol.
be sure to post a pic of the rocker faces, and cam lobes !.
speaking of you tinkering with the rockers..i just gotta ask !..lol, any slight chance you put the rockers back in backwards ???..as in..intake on exhaust side, and exhaust on intake back on the shafts ??..lol.
Is that even possible without them being upside down. I vaguely remember thinking they only worked one way. I hope to have time to pull the rocker cover tonight.
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