[Landry.Gulledge]

Okay, so i am purchasing a brand new honda rubicon, the biggest motor they have, and i need help deciding between 29.5" terminators and 29.5" outlaw 2's. I come to ask for yalls opinion on what tire would be easier to pull in a little bit of mud. I have 29.5" outlaw 2's on my 2016 rzr 1000 highlifter right now and my cousin has 29.5" terminators on his 2015 ranger 570 and they both pull well, but they also have more power and torque vs these honda's. Im asking what yall think about both tires, along with what tire i should go with. and if you give your opinion on which tire, please explain why its better.

 

[M_Quick]

I'd check the specs on each tire, and see how much weight differance there is between the 2.

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[mac102004]

Well I first of all forget about running either one of those tires without at least a 35% gear reduction, I don’t know if your buying a DCT or footshift but the fact is, it’s going nowhere with tires that large: if you don’t want to do a GR I suggest you stick with something in the 27-28” range. If you want a pure mud tire like Outlaws or Silverbacks then stick to 27’s, if your going with more of a trail tire you can probably get away with 28’s. If you only going in “a little bit of mud” then you aren’t going to need 30’s anyway. The DCT models have slightly lower gears but I would not go over 28’s even with that low range.


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[mrbb]

I agree 100% with Mac in his above post
NO way your going to be the least bit happy with 29's on it, all the more so coming off atv;'s/SXS with a LOT more HP period, your already going to be disappointed in the STOCK tires and power/speeds, never mind going WAY taller than stock tires on the honda!
if you want tall tires, a GR is a MUST do, unless you like killing your atv to TRY to turn things

 

[Landry.Gulledge]

I'd check the specs on each tire, and see how much weight differance there is between the 2.

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Well I first of all forget about running either one of those tires without at least a 35% gear reduction, I don’t know if your buying a DCT or footshift but the fact is, it’s going nowhere with tires that large: if you don’t want to do a GR I suggest you stick with something in the 27-28” range. If you want a pure mud tire like Outlaws or Silverbacks then stick to 27’s, if your going with more of a trail tire you can probably get away with 28’s. If you only going in “a little bit of mud” then you aren’t going to need 30’s anyway. The DCT models have slightly lower gears but I would not go over 28’s even with that low range.


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I agree 100% with Mac in his above post
NO way your going to be the least bit happy with 29's on it, all the more so coming off atv;'s/SXS with a LOT more HP period, your already going to be disappointed in the STOCK tires and power/speeds, never mind going WAY taller than stock tires on the honda!
if you want tall tires, a GR is a MUST do, unless you like killing your atv to TRY to turn things

Okay. So the difference in tire weight is only about 3 pounds a tire. But i was going to go with the footshift irs because of the gears i heard about them. Ive talked to a few people on instagram that run hondas, that have 30” silverbacks, no gr, and they love them. I ride more water than mud, but there is soe mud in the mix. If i were to divide it, it would be about 65% hard ground, 28% water, and 13% mud. If that for the mud. I was just asking yalls opinions on the tires and which one would be a better tire to run period as well.

 

[YukonXL04]

If you run 65% hard ground and 13% mud... why are you looking at extreme mud tires? You need to be looking at more of an all terrain. And why do you want to run 30s if not for mud? Just curious?

 

[mrbb]

and there are folks that say they get 30 MPG's in there trucks
does it make it true?
if you think 3 lbs is NOT heavy on things over stock tires,
take a 3 lb weight and hold it on the end of your fingers and then stick your arm out all the way and see how long you can hold it
its LIGHT at first but as time goes by, it gets heavier and heavier, then add in a tire that is Spinning and throwing that weight about, making it have more change to things due to momentum of the lbs
and you start to get more wear and tear on all parts of the atv
add in again, you have increased tire size 4-5 inches over stock tires, thats 20% larger, and more or less you lost 20% of the HP the ATV had
so if it had 30 HO to start with your now down to 24 hp
ain't NO one riding a STOCK Honda ATV that THINKS it has too much HP as is, or power period
honda's are known to have TOO little HP as to every other atv out there , WHY would you want to run on less HP
there is again NO way to change physic's
them 4-5 inch taller tires, ALTERED your stock gearing that is a FACT, no way around it
that then makes atv have LESS power to turn BIG tires
some folks drive a 4 cylinder and think it has ALL the power they need, some drive a BIG V 8 and think the same
does it make one wrong??
its all about what one feels is ENOUGH
the folks that REALLY run BIG tires on Honda ATv's and play right, DON"T run them on stock gearing, as they actually want to have GOOD use of there atv;'s
and do a GR to get back all the power they LOST going to taller tires!
its just science at work, and if your happy barely moving them big tires, then your HAPPY like that, MOST however are NOT

there are guys on atv's with twice the HP of a honda and NOT happy with ENOUGH power they have

HP is one of them things when on a TOY, you always want more NOT less! LOL your money spend it as you like

 

[mrbb]

get into a DEEP water hole with steep banks and moddy bottom, and NOT have enough Gear to turn them tires to self clean and cannot get out of said hole, and then SINK your motor, and see how happy you are on stock gearing LOL
don't laugh, it happens!

 

[Goober]

Outlander 570 xmr has stock 28 inch tires for about a grand less
Step up to the 850 with 30 inch tires for $3K more

 

[fishfiles]

The Can-Am 570 is a very nice bike , my #1 riding buddy has one , he has 28 Outlaw 2's , only three things about it , you must learn throttle control , be conservative and when you do get stuck don't try to rag it out , or you will pay in down time and or money , 3rd thing is that it will spend time in the shop under warranty and you will be working on it a lot

 

[Landry.Gulledge]

If you run 65% hard ground and 13% mud... why are you looking at extreme mud tires? You need to be looking at more of an all terrain. And why do you want to run 30s if not for mud? Just curious?

and there are folks that say they get 30 MPG's in there trucks
does it make it true?
if you think 3 lbs is NOT heavy on things over stock tires,
take a 3 lb weight and hold it on the end of your fingers and then stick your arm out all the way and see how long you can hold it
its LIGHT at first but as time goes by, it gets heavier and heavier, then add in a tire that is Spinning and throwing that weight about, making it have more change to things due to momentum of the lbs
and you start to get more wear and tear on all parts of the atv
add in again, you have increased tire size 4-5 inches over stock tires, thats 20% larger, and more or less you lost 20% of the HP the ATV had
so if it had 30 HO to start with your now down to 24 hp
ain't NO one riding a STOCK Honda ATV that THINKS it has too much HP as is, or power period
honda's are known to have TOO little HP as to every other atv out there , WHY would you want to run on less HP
there is again NO way to change physic's
them 4-5 inch taller tires, ALTERED your stock gearing that is a FACT, no way around it
that then makes atv have LESS power to turn BIG tires
some folks drive a 4 cylinder and think it has ALL the power they need, some drive a BIG V 8 and think the same
does it make one wrong??
its all about what one feels is ENOUGH
the folks that REALLY run BIG tires on Honda ATv's and play right, DON"T run them on stock gearing, as they actually want to have GOOD use of there atv;'s
and do a GR to get back all the power they LOST going to taller tires!
its just science at work, and if your happy barely moving them big tires, then your HAPPY like that, MOST however are NOT

there are guys on atv's with twice the HP of a honda and NOT happy with ENOUGH power they have

HP is one of them things when on a TOY, you always want more NOT less! LOL your money spend it as you like

get into a DEEP water hole with steep banks and moddy bottom, and NOT have enough Gear to turn them tires to self clean and cannot get out of said hole, and then SINK your motor, and see how happy you are on stock gearing LOL
don't laugh, it happens!

Outlander 570 xmr has stock 28 inch tires for about a grand less
Step up to the 850 with 30 inch tires for $3K more

The Can-Am 570 is a very nice bike , my #1 riding buddy has one , he has 28 Outlaw 2's , only three things about it , you must learn throttle control , be conservative and when you do get stuck don't try to rag it out , or you will pay in down time and or money , 3rd thing is that it will spend time in the shop under warranty and you will be working on it a lot

I want big mud tires because i when i do run in the mud/water, i want to be able to actually ride in it, not just get stuck. I already own outlaw 2’s so i dont want to go to a tire with less tred. And as far as the hard ground goes, im going to run the stock tires when im just driving on the prarie. I just want the mud tires for the offroad parks.
Im not trying to get griped at for what i want, I simply came to ask yall whats yalls opinions are on each tire, and which one along with 29.5 or 28”

 

[fishfiles]

My fleet of 300's and 1 450 have an assortment of tire sizes , starting with 29.5 Outlaws skinnies , 27 Outlaws , 27 Swamp Lites , 26 outlaws , 26 Mudzillas , 25 ITP's and on , 3 of them have reduction , 2 300's are 54% and 1 is 14% , the rest don't have reduction , so it is amazing to jump from one to the other and feel the difference ---------- I think you have a 420 , a guy that rides with us sometimes has last years model 420 for his wife , she has 28's on it with no reduction and she does good --------- do you have any friends that you could swop tires with for a trail run , better to try it before you buy it

 

[mrbb]

if your NOT going to do a GR< stay at a LIGHT 28, and even that is not going to be very impressive for you on the bike, (AKA< low power)
and honestly, the advice given here has all been honest advice, its JUST maybe NOT what you want to hear, that is maybe upsetting you?
do as you like! its your atv and money!

 

[fishfiles]

My Dad use to always say , " you don't go to a priest for advice on sex , go to someone who has done it before " , call your own plays and play your own game , if it doesn't come out right you will be mad at your self either way , one for not making the right decision on your own , or for listening to someone else's opinion and going with it ----- my thoughts are " try it before you buy " , that is hard to do sometimes , I have had the privilege of being able to swop tires from one to the other , and man have I done it ---------- I know you want to get it right the first time , but from personable experiences that isn't going to happen , it is almost enviable that after you make the move that you wish you would have done something different , it is human nature ------ my wife is the worst at making a decision on anything , I call it " Wishy Washy " , she over analyzes everything then usually makes the wrong decision any ways ------- I guess I am Wishy Washy too , cause all the tires I got and I feel the best one for what I do and have is 28 Outlaws , wide in the back and narrow in the front , and I don't have a set of them , yet !

 

[mac102004]

I’ve run the model you want with 30” mud tires, you need a GR. You can take my advice or ignore it, it makes no difference to me. You can add a GR after you figure out it can’t turn them just the same.


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[Jeepwm69]

You've gotten good advice here. Whether or not you wish to take it is up to you.

I see the same things on the Jeep boards. "Should I run 33's or 35's?" and then you find out the Jeep has 2.73 diff gears, and the answer is "You will pull neither of those tires without regearing"

The answer to your question is neither of those tires will be worth a crap without doing a gear reduction.