So you think ES machines are junk?
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Is this a joke? That is an incredible number of miles and hours!
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I did the math. Less than one mile per hour actually it's 0.618 mph average.........Something's wrong here.
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I see 6193.7 hours....so average a little over 6 mph. Similar to all mine. There is a guy on grizzlycentral that does over 10k miles a year. So I can believe this.
I don't feel like ES bikes are junk. Just that non-technical folks and those who don't take care of things right probably should avoid them, since they can fault out more often than manual shift bikes.
I had a Foreman 450ES for a few years and eventually liked it once I got use to it. That unused left side floorboard held an awful lot of heavy hunting gear & equipment stuffed in a backpack and bungeed with just two cords...
That 350 is certainly is well cared for!
I had a Foreman 450ES for a few years and eventually liked it once I got use to it. That unused left side floorboard held an awful lot of heavy hunting gear & equipment stuffed in a backpack and bungeed with just two cords...
That 350 is certainly is well cared for!
The mechanics of the ES, especially on a 350 Rancher, are pretty much the same as the FM's. The problems stem from mud and water getting into electrical crap where there doesn't have to be electrical crap. It can be fixed. I'd just rather shift with my foot and not have to worry about that aspect of it.
And as I've said before, the biggest problem with ES's is it doesn't leave me a free hand to hold my beer....
And as I've said before, the biggest problem with ES's is it doesn't leave me a free hand to hold my beer....
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IMO< e shifts are NOT that terrible, but they just have more things to go wrong
as for this one and it MAYBE being problem free for all them hrs??
well, some folks win the powerball too< but you know what, MORE don't!
SO< just cause one gets a long life problem free, isn't a great example on things
when you do a search on ANY honda related site, the amount of ES problems to foot shifts, shows a totally different view, and IMO a more honest comparison
ES models have more issue's hands down
just again more parts to fail, and we all know , far too many owners are NOT up to snuff on doing PM's or the likes?
lots of lazy owners that just want to turn key and ride, and ride in ANYTHING they feel like it
the foot shift will win the war any day of the week on average here? LOL
and NOT bashing E shifts, it just is what it is with them!
MAYBE they sell more than foot shifts, but that too comes down to FOLKS are LAZY and today's generation likes buttons more than shifting with there foot, , just look at HOW few ATV"s have a foot shift, a LONG time proven reliable design, but folks rather easy, and lazy riding over what works or lasts longer!
we live in a lazy world!
as for this one and it MAYBE being problem free for all them hrs??
well, some folks win the powerball too< but you know what, MORE don't!
SO< just cause one gets a long life problem free, isn't a great example on things
when you do a search on ANY honda related site, the amount of ES problems to foot shifts, shows a totally different view, and IMO a more honest comparison
ES models have more issue's hands down
just again more parts to fail, and we all know , far too many owners are NOT up to snuff on doing PM's or the likes?
lots of lazy owners that just want to turn key and ride, and ride in ANYTHING they feel like it
the foot shift will win the war any day of the week on average here? LOL
and NOT bashing E shifts, it just is what it is with them!
MAYBE they sell more than foot shifts, but that too comes down to FOLKS are LAZY and today's generation likes buttons more than shifting with there foot, , just look at HOW few ATV"s have a foot shift, a LONG time proven reliable design, but folks rather easy, and lazy riding over what works or lasts longer!
we live in a lazy world!
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lol, I think you did the math backwards :devil
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38316/61937=.618 mph or 38316/6193.7=6.18, so it all depends on if "there is a decimal" in the 61937 number
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Didn't see the decimal. LOL
Honda's do what they are supposed to and do it well. I have only one quad , its a 2013 ES Foreman with power steering. I not hard on it and there are rarely any puddle here in S Arizona. I change oil and have dealer do major services every 100 hours. I would like to do my one mechanical but It doesn't seem to be in the cards.
I just took the windshield off my Honda Silverwing..... probably be forever to get it back on. Blasted plastic stick pins and rubber grommets any way!
I just took the windshield off my Honda Silverwing..... probably be forever to get it back on. Blasted plastic stick pins and rubber grommets any way!
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I don't understand how an Rancher ES can be junk when it's 95% or more the same quad as the foot shift. If it was a totally different design and machine and full of problems (hondamatic transmission) I could understand, but not when they are almost identical machines.
Also, some folks on here call people "Lazy" because they prefer ES's over foot shift and that's just not right. I'm not lazy and I prefer ES's.
I mostly drive my ES's, but on occasion at my friends camp in Maine, I let my son and daughter and their friends drive my Rancher and Recon ES's while I take my friends foot shift Recon. I'm fine driving either. I recently taught my daughter and one of her friends how to drive the foot shift and it didn't take long for them to ask to go back to the ES's. It's all about what you prefer not because you are lazy.
My friend's 2000 Rancher ES, fourth from the left in the picture has over 9,000 miles, 1,100 hours has been driven hard, and also driven by camp guests who don't know how to shift an Atv and has been a very good ES machine. In 17 years, he's changed the shift motor once, so what, just like if the starter failed you change it.
Also, some folks on here call people "Lazy" because they prefer ES's over foot shift and that's just not right. I'm not lazy and I prefer ES's.
I mostly drive my ES's, but on occasion at my friends camp in Maine, I let my son and daughter and their friends drive my Rancher and Recon ES's while I take my friends foot shift Recon. I'm fine driving either. I recently taught my daughter and one of her friends how to drive the foot shift and it didn't take long for them to ask to go back to the ES's. It's all about what you prefer not because you are lazy.
My friend's 2000 Rancher ES, fourth from the left in the picture has over 9,000 miles, 1,100 hours has been driven hard, and also driven by camp guests who don't know how to shift an Atv and has been a very good ES machine. In 17 years, he's changed the shift motor once, so what, just like if the starter failed you change it.
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The ES system is junk, not the whole machine. Strip the ES off the Rancher and go back to footshift and it's a fine machine. I don't like wasting money replacing angle sensors and shift motors over and over again, getting stuck in the bush having to shift with a wrench. Getting jammed between gears and having to manually shift to neutral to start it, breaking the tiny shift motor reduction gears...I could go on.
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sadly we will disagree here, but I have been the one saying folks with ES are more on the lazy side of things, and I stand behind this,
the generations of people we have today all fall into this category, NOT just ES owners
we are living in a time when everyone wants things As fast as possible and as easy as possible
the added step or skills needed to shift with a foot(coordination too) simply DON"T interest folks today into learning
they want everything to be SUPER simple a Moron can use them and not have to THINK
look at all the tech we have today to do things once done in other ways that , as even you said, are NOT hard(shifting with your foot)
again, its just a fact, humans are lazier today than ever and getting worse
many yrs back kids LIVED outside, then came video games and they migrated to staying in doors<< and now if you watch there are TV shows of thousands of kids watching OTHER play video games> COME ON< there watching others play?? are they too lazy to play the games themselves??
again, its a generation thing, people actually DOING manual things is a dying way of things getting done.
GO price a mini bobcat!, they will lift about 300 lbs? and cost about 35 grand<
I recall when folks could dig by hand and move things in that weight range and NOT have to need a machine, which they have to place the added costs to anyone wanting help to get something done??
or look at how many things people today want a remote for, to be able to turn lights on with your phone or??
people today like buttons and again ARE lazy!
again, you might say I am bashing, but I am not, I am just pointing out the trend in life, generations today are lazier than ever and its a trend that seems to have NO change in sight!
The main advantage that I see for ES is that in the winter time when it is cold and snowy, and you have big boots on, it is much easier to shift with your hand on the ES machines rather than your foot on a manual machine. This has nothing to do with being lazy either.
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I will say without hopefully sounding like a debate, that I work on atv's every day, in all my years repairing them, I have never had to replace an angle sensor, or a shift motor, the only problem I have found with them is some of the reduction gears for the shift motor tend to chip off. I have seen this twice.
95% of the time when someone comes in with a shifting issue its either a bad wire, connection, ground or a bad battery.
maybe I'm lucky!
95% of the time when someone comes in with a shifting issue its either a bad wire, connection, ground or a bad battery.
maybe I'm lucky!
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