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I had a pioneer 1000-5 deluxe and loved it. I had it for a little over a year and put 500 or so miles on it. It was smooth, quick enough, relatively quiet, and would go through anything. I bought it to ride with my kids and wife but they never really wanted to go with. Ended up being just me in a 5 seat $18000 machine. After riding trails and some off-road parks, I just couldn't bring myself to put that much money into mud and water. I found myself avoiding areas out of fear of damaging a toy that was close in price to my daily driver.

Now, that isn't to say that it WOULD get messed up. I'm confident it could have handled a lot more than I threw at it.

If my family were more into it, the smiles from the kids would have overshadowed my fears and I would have had fun and fixed it as it needed it. But for just me, it didn't make sense to beat on that pricey of a toy. I'm on a 2015 Rubicon now and love it.

If I were in the market for a SXS again, I would go right back to that machine. No buyer's remorse at all.

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cuoutdoors....... That is a great idea with the bi-directional fan to direct the engine heat. How did you cut the hole without making a mess of it? Does it create much more of an engine noise problem? It would be easy to add a switch to reverse the fan direction.

Some of these manufacturers should incorporate this into their machines.
 

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This thread has been very informative to me and others I'm sure. I hope it continues. I've owned ATV's for 30 years, but UTV's are a new animal to me. I hope to involve my family in recreational trail riding by buying a UTV, and use it for chores naturally too. We live in Wisconsin and have a lot of good places to ride.

I'm also looking at a 7' wide, enclosed trailer to store and haul the Pioneer 1000 in. I will locate the side door such that I can get in and out of the UTV with it inside the trailer. Approx. cost of trailer is $5,000. It makes for a expensive recreational set-up, but I hope to get a lot of enjoyment from it. I was advised by the trailer dealer to avoid an 8' wide trailer if possible due to the additional wind resistance.
 

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I'd sure like to see this thread continue. I've leaned lots of good info on UTV's........

Keep posting please!
 

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Hey I'm going to dig up an old thread here just to see if there are any new Pioneer guys on here.

I have a 2014 700-2 and love it! That being said.....it ate it's cam at 675 miles and a couple years old. Turns out Honda had a bad cam that went into the Big Red UTV and one model 4 wheeler, I think Rubicon. It was an expensive fix and after many phone calls we ended getting most of the labor covered. I remember the mechanic asking me if I bought a warranty. I said hell no, I bought a Honda! New cam with new part number that matches the 2015 models. Fingers crossed.

The transmission is why I held out from buying another UTV for so long. I'm Honda loyal and I had no interest whith a belt drive. When they came out with a UTV without belts for 10k I jumped all over it. Everyone complains about the lack of low gear and the posi rear end but I really don't mind. I new that when I bought it.

Some guys buy them expecting it to be something it is not. Your not gonna haul ass and race around on the 700 or even the 1000. Honda doesn't have that model yet but just wait, there has been something in the works for a while now called the Talon and the patents they have are pretty interesting. And don't forget the 500. For it's size I've heard it's quite the toy and goes through quite a bit.
 

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Your pioneer is the same as a Rincon motor. I thought the cam issues were only on the early Rincons though, so that's puzzling.

I got your 300 bulbs in the mail yesterday afternoon. Sorry for the delay. Been a hectic week.
 

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I appreciate the post by "Manny", but something tells me he has not been on a long ride in a P1000. Even with the "heat shield" that they put on the 2018 P1000's the cab is nearly intolerable. The "heat shield" isn't much more than a piece of fireproof cardboard. The seats and your legs don't get warm, they get hot. I know some creative guys have come up with their own solutions which usually involve a fan and a few large intakes/exhausts ducts. However when you spend 18K on a high end machine, I don't think you should have to be creative genius to make the machine rideable. I'm tired of stuffing towels around the seats, and holding my door open in an attempt to get relief from the excess heat. I can't accept the statement that it's unavoidable. Let's call a spade a spade, it's poor engineering which I just didn't expect from Honda. I've owned Honda machines, motorcycles, three wheelers, ATV's, and now the P1000, for 40 years, and this is the first one that I have been dissatisfied with there engineering.


Just as an aside, when you start adding those extras like a winch, then you need to add a second battery with the proper wiring etc. Another weak engineering point about the machine. When you order a machine with a winch, I would think they would advise you that you need an additional battery arrangement if you don't want to drain the battery to the point of the machine being inoperable. Of course I found this out the hard way.


Sorry for being a little bitter, but I just expected so much more from Honda. I still think Honda makes mostly superior equipment - just not the P1000.
 

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Honda isn't as good as they used to be. They're still the best of what's available, but they aren't as good as they used to be.

My opinion.......
 

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cuoutdoors....... That is a great idea with the bi-directional fan to direct the engine heat. How did you cut the hole without making a mess of it? Does it create much more of an engine noise problem? It would be easy to add a switch to reverse the fan direction.

Some of these manufacturers should incorporate this into their machines.
Sorry I missed this comment.

No it does not add engine noise. The fan is louder than the engine. I should've bought a switch to change directions but at the time I didn't think it was necessary. I put foil under my seat and have zero heat coming through. There are a lot of sxs' out there with heat issues. You can cook your lunch in the console of a commander.

I agree it shouldn't be a problem with a machine that costs so much. There just isn't a perfect machine out there. They all have their flaws and need a fix here and there. It just is what it is. Buy what is closest to your needs then improvise, overcome, and adapt.

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I have a 2017 1000 - 5 it is a very good machine does 65 mph on the street i had the top and windshield installed the day i got it,I live in south east Louisiana and it is hot down here, yes it has heat in cab but it does not bother me guess we use to it, the sxs runs great around here. we have rain almost every day in the summer and that makes mud really dont use 4x4 that often more fun to drive in 2wd it is a work and play kind of machine around here we have Horses and I also use it to pick up Grand kids from school this thing starts up and runs great lots of power fun to drive goes with me to the camp cant find anything bad to say about it and I have a smile on my face when i drive it and no one has said anything about the heat in the cab wish i got it before i got the 420 but i still use it also.
 

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I've had ATV's for decades. Still have my '02 Rancher with just short of 10K on the clock.

My first UTV was the Yamaha Viking. I didn't go Honda at that point, because the 700 without low range would have been useless to me.
The Viking was a great machine. I put right at 1000 miles on it. But by this time last year, the negative aspects of the machine finally got to me; Too noisy, not enough real power, locked rear dif (no turf) and poor suspension. In short, it was too far towards the "utilitarian" side, and not enough on the "sport" side. A great machine, but I wanted more.

I picked up my Pioneer 1000-3 LE last June, & love it. Yea, the passenger seat gets hot.. I put an 8" automotive fan under the seat, and that seems to do the trick. The LE comes with fox shocks that work very, very well. The motor makes more than enough power for any trial riding, and is QUIET.

I have just short of 700 miles on it now, and am very happy with my purchase. I believe I'll keep it around for awile. :)
 

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