Oil What Kind to use?????????
1 - 20 of 48 Posts
You can use any oil that meets the manufacturers specifications AND is NOT an oil marked with "ENERGY CONSERVING" on the container. Those oils are made to use in applications with no shared system with a clutch. If you have a engine/transmission combination that shares the oil, The additives in the "energy conserving" oils will cause severe slippage in the clutch. One good oil is the Mobil Delvac 1300. I have been using it in my VTX 1800 for years and it performs very well. It is also much less $$$ than the Honda oil and exceeds their spec recommendations.
:icon_cool:
:icon_cool:
Joined
·
40 Posts
I run Shell Rotella Synthetic, 5W-40 in all my atvs.....and my Yamaha motorcycle. It is now JASO-MA rated for motorcycles and atvs.
The Delvac oil is also a good oil for atvs.
The Delvac oil is also a good oil for atvs.
Joined
·
12 Posts
is not available here, I would have to order it via USPS. Is there a substitute from the auto parts store? Heard Castrol might be compatible?(5w-30)
How can you tell it's for wet clutches? Would like more specifics if available, is there a API service recommended?
Joined
·
934 Posts
Joined
·
3,002 Posts
It's not just the oil without 'Energy Conserving' label though that you have to look for, it's a JASO - A & JASO B you have to look for. I'd use the oil ONLY if it said 4 Stroke Engine Oil, and some actually do say "compatible with wet clutches" or safe for ..... My Walmart sells some, as does the O'reilly's. I guess you could find it at any Advance or AutoZone or Napa etc.
Joined
·
23,587 Posts
I wouldn't use anything that wasn't JASO MA certified. I've used automotive Castol 10W-40 without any problems, but it's been about 5 years ago since I've used it and the formula may have changed since then. It may contain friction modifiers by now. To be safe, I recommend nothing but ATV/Motorcycle oil.
Joined
·
1,449 Posts
Rotella T6 5W-40 full synthetic, it's marketed as diesel oil but carries the JASO certification. Walmart probably has it for $25 +/- for 4 L (blue jug). I think it's great, comes out clean at 800 miles. My 3 ATVs shift fine, run cool when it's hot out and turn over quick in the cold.
Joined
·
3,002 Posts
I hear that a lot at the Rincon and Foreman Forums. Many people use that Rotella.
Joined
·
2,702 Posts
I use the Rotella T not the synthetic but the regular in mine also simply because its available at wal-mart or the farm store. Here are a few things I've found around the web. It appears that the Rotella oil IS NOW JASO certified.
Mr. xxxxxxx,
Thanks for the opportunity to respond to your inquiry, and thanks for
using Shell products. (and my apologies for the delay in responding)
ROTELLA T SAE 15W-40 and ROTELLA T Synthetic SAE 5W-40 are universal
oils, meeting needs of many 4-stroke gasoline as well as most diesel
engines. They have performance credentials (API Service Categories SL
and CI-4 & CI-4 PLUS) for lubricating both kinds of engines. Consequently, ROTELLA T can be a good choice for four-stroke
motorcycle/ATV engines.
It's best to consult your owner's manual for recommended oil quality. If
your engine manufacturer recommends oil meeting any of these API Service
Categories; CF-4, CG-4, CH-4, CI-4 & CI-4 PLUS, and/or SH, SJ, and SL,
or any earlier but obsolete category, then ROTELLA T may be a good
choice.
ROTELLA T does not contain friction modifiers that are added to many
passenger-car-only-oils, and it does not comply with all requirements of
ILSAC GF-1, GF-2 and GF-3 (the ILSAC oil specifications are often
recommended by many gasoline passenger car engine manufacturers). That
can be good for motorcycle/ATV use. Friction modifiers can upset wet
clutch operation. And the ILSAC requirements limit phosphorus content.
Diesel engines and other engines with highly loaded valve trains, as
well as transmissions, need extra (compared to passenger car engines)
extreme pressure wear protection, which is provided by an additive that
contains phosphorus.
One negative might be where the engine manufacturer recommends oil
meeting JASO requirements. Part of the JASO requirement limits ash
content to 1.2%. Ash content of ROTELLA T exceeds this limit. Oil ash
contributes to combustion chamber and spark plug deposits.
Best Regards,
Greg Raley
Tel: +1 281 544 8621=20
Email:
Internet: The Shell global homepage - Global
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's the scoop on ROTELLA T use in motorcycles.....
Shell ROTELLA T SAE 15W-40 and ROTELLA T Synthetic SAE 5W-40 are universal oils, meeting needs of many 4-stroke gasoline as well as most diesel engines. They have performance credentials (API Service Categories SL and CI-4 & CI-4 PLUS) for lubricating both kinds of engines. Consequently, ROTELLA T can be a good choice for four-stroke motorcycle/ATV engines.
It's best to consult your owner's manual for recommended oil quality. If your engine manufacturer recommends oil meeting any of these API Service Categories; CF-4, CG-4, CH-4, CI-4 & CI-4 PLUS, and/or SH, SJ, and SL, or any earlier but obsolete category, then ROTELLA T may be a good choice.
ROTELLA T does not contain friction modifiers that are added to many passenger-car-only-oils, and it does not comply with all requirements of ILSAC GF-1, GF-2 and GF-3 (the ILSAC oil specifications are often recommended by many gasoline passenger car engine manufacturers). That can be good for motorcycle/ATV use. Friction modifiers can upset wet clutch operation. And the ILSAC requirements limit phosphorus content. Diesel engines and other engines with highly loaded valve trains, as well as transmissions, need extra (compared to passenger car engines) extreme pressure wear protection, which is provided by an additive that contains phosphorus.
One negative might be where the engine manufacturer recommends oil meeting JASO requirements. Part of the JASO requirement limits ash content to 1.2%. Ash content of ROTELLA T exceeds this limit. Oil ash contributes to combustion chamber and spark plug deposits. Here’s the email I sent to Shell:
>There are many people using Rotella T in their motorcycles. Why not
do the few
>small changes to get it JASO certified and really increase your
sales. Also
>being able to get it at Wal-Mart is a big plus.The motorcycle market
is huge
>nowdays.
Here’s their technician’s answer:
Dear Sir,
Actually, we now have JASO MA approval on both Rotella T 15w-40 and
Rotella T 5w-40 Synthetic.
Best Regards,
Shell Technical
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009
Mr. xxxxxxx,
Thanks for the opportunity to respond to your inquiry, and thanks for
using Shell products. (and my apologies for the delay in responding)
ROTELLA T SAE 15W-40 and ROTELLA T Synthetic SAE 5W-40 are universal
oils, meeting needs of many 4-stroke gasoline as well as most diesel
engines. They have performance credentials (API Service Categories SL
and CI-4 & CI-4 PLUS) for lubricating both kinds of engines. Consequently, ROTELLA T can be a good choice for four-stroke
motorcycle/ATV engines.
It's best to consult your owner's manual for recommended oil quality. If
your engine manufacturer recommends oil meeting any of these API Service
Categories; CF-4, CG-4, CH-4, CI-4 & CI-4 PLUS, and/or SH, SJ, and SL,
or any earlier but obsolete category, then ROTELLA T may be a good
choice.
ROTELLA T does not contain friction modifiers that are added to many
passenger-car-only-oils, and it does not comply with all requirements of
ILSAC GF-1, GF-2 and GF-3 (the ILSAC oil specifications are often
recommended by many gasoline passenger car engine manufacturers). That
can be good for motorcycle/ATV use. Friction modifiers can upset wet
clutch operation. And the ILSAC requirements limit phosphorus content.
Diesel engines and other engines with highly loaded valve trains, as
well as transmissions, need extra (compared to passenger car engines)
extreme pressure wear protection, which is provided by an additive that
contains phosphorus.
One negative might be where the engine manufacturer recommends oil
meeting JASO requirements. Part of the JASO requirement limits ash
content to 1.2%. Ash content of ROTELLA T exceeds this limit. Oil ash
contributes to combustion chamber and spark plug deposits.
Best Regards,
Greg Raley
Tel: +1 281 544 8621=20
Email:
Internet: The Shell global homepage - Global
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's the scoop on ROTELLA T use in motorcycles.....
Shell ROTELLA T SAE 15W-40 and ROTELLA T Synthetic SAE 5W-40 are universal oils, meeting needs of many 4-stroke gasoline as well as most diesel engines. They have performance credentials (API Service Categories SL and CI-4 & CI-4 PLUS) for lubricating both kinds of engines. Consequently, ROTELLA T can be a good choice for four-stroke motorcycle/ATV engines.
It's best to consult your owner's manual for recommended oil quality. If your engine manufacturer recommends oil meeting any of these API Service Categories; CF-4, CG-4, CH-4, CI-4 & CI-4 PLUS, and/or SH, SJ, and SL, or any earlier but obsolete category, then ROTELLA T may be a good choice.
ROTELLA T does not contain friction modifiers that are added to many passenger-car-only-oils, and it does not comply with all requirements of ILSAC GF-1, GF-2 and GF-3 (the ILSAC oil specifications are often recommended by many gasoline passenger car engine manufacturers). That can be good for motorcycle/ATV use. Friction modifiers can upset wet clutch operation. And the ILSAC requirements limit phosphorus content. Diesel engines and other engines with highly loaded valve trains, as well as transmissions, need extra (compared to passenger car engines) extreme pressure wear protection, which is provided by an additive that contains phosphorus.
One negative might be where the engine manufacturer recommends oil meeting JASO requirements. Part of the JASO requirement limits ash content to 1.2%. Ash content of ROTELLA T exceeds this limit. Oil ash contributes to combustion chamber and spark plug deposits. Here’s the email I sent to Shell:
>There are many people using Rotella T in their motorcycles. Why not
do the few
>small changes to get it JASO certified and really increase your
sales. Also
>being able to get it at Wal-Mart is a big plus.The motorcycle market
is huge
>nowdays.
Here’s their technician’s answer:
Dear Sir,
Actually, we now have JASO MA approval on both Rotella T 15w-40 and
Rotella T 5w-40 Synthetic.
Best Regards,
Shell Technical
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009
Joined
·
1,449 Posts
The JASO designation is shown on the back of the containers.
1 - 20 of 48 Posts
