[LedFTed]

got a ecu from bike bandit. this already posted on my other thread. i could not change the title once more, so im re-posting. the picture of the part, looked like what i wanted. same micro-fish, same part numbers from many sites. i bought it from bike bandit. there is no reference anywhere to honda on the ecu i got, or, on the box's the part came with. without that, the item is not like it was described in the picture, of the part. am i wrong? i have gotten many parts before, that came with honda packaging. honda is there, in red, an genuine parts, honda motor co., even made in japan.. i think they might have gave me a knockoff. i could be wrong, but i get a very bad vibe.:eek

 

[fishfiles]

Was the price a OEM price or cheaper ?

 

[Goober]

These sellers will often advertise “OEM replacement” and at first blush you’ll think OEM. Depends on their return policy whether you’re stuck with it.

 

[LedFTed]

OEM price and, maybe sum

Was the price a OEM price or cheaper ?

the price was $205. honda east had it for 2 dollars cheaper at the time. east didnt have it in stock, so i understood from conversion an that it would take many days to get such part, an ship it.
the box from bike bandit was 2'x2', it had another box in side that was 12"x10.5". the box inside did have a [honda sticker, made in the usa] on the outside, plus other shipping stickers. it just seemed screwy to me. turns out the other company, vey's power-sports of lemon grove, ca. is merging with bike bandit, also of california, or some fact similarly there of. there was a name on the ECU i got, elesys. after a couple days, i managed to find,, Honda Elesys Co. Ltd., [Yocohama, Japan]. they had/have branches across the globe including usa. they sold their shares to Nidec. it may just be called Nidecelesys.
i hope this thread wasnt just a bunch of who-do, about nothing on my part.. its just, who do you trust anymore...when it comes to parts, or sales.

 

[subzerosoundman]

The ECU, which is called the Change Control Unit in the parts diagram for some reason,
was first made by NEC for Honda. That was the 38910-HN0-A11 for 98-00 Foremans.
Then NEC and Honda formed a joint venture called Elesys Corp. that made the
38910-HN0-A12 for 2001 Foremans which was backwards compatible and a substitute
for the A11. A few years ago Elesys split off from Honda and Nec to be part of Nidec.

Several online stores sell it for about $250, but bikebandit has it for $215.
Ebay sometimes has used ones for $100-150.

 

[LedFTed]

control unit price

i hit the wrong button. it was $202 at honda east, then shipping. bike bandit had christmas discount, and free shipping over $200. so i got the part for $205. bike bandit was supposed to have 2 in stock, i figured it would arrive quicker. it was probably about the same in the long run. i might have to quit figuring. \hillbilly ciphering, Jethro/.
had i known about elesys, i would not have posted this thread, or the other one. perhaps i can research honda atv history, and learn more about the subject.

 

[Goober]

It’s all good Ted. worth it

 

[LedFTed]

Ecu

The ECU, which is called the Change Control Unit in the parts diagram for some reason,
was first made by NEC for Honda. That was the 38910-HN0-A11 for 98-00 Foremans.
Then NEC and Honda formed a joint venture called Elesys Corp. that made the
38910-HN0-A12 for 2001 Foremans which was backwards compatible and a substitute
for the A11. A few years ago Elesys split off from Honda and Nec to be part of Nidec.

Several online stores sell it for about $250, but bikebandit has it for $215.
Ebay sometimes has used ones for $100-150.

the old one says NEC home electronics. atv still not shifting. time to go to square 1. when i go to school to get an education, i like to finish the course. the School of Hard Knocks, it seems, i have to go back, time and time again for a refresher. i dont think i'll ever graduate.:|

 

[subzerosoundman]

Since the part does not have Made in Japan stamped on it, I bet it was made in China.
Although they do have to add their own Japanese software to the microprocessor.
The Japanese are very proud of their work so they stamp almost everything they make.
Yes that means some parts on Honda ATVs are made in China. I know for a fact that
some Yamaha engines are made in China.

You know a lot of repair technicians, who are usually called "experts", use the old method
of replace a part with a new part; try it; if it don't work replace another part; repeat.
Of course the technician gets paid both ways. Students in the school of hard knocks
get to bang their head on stone over and over.

Maybe you should consider my ECU bypass. I can help you make it work, and it's cheap.

 

[LedFTed]

part or lable

the box inside the other box said made in usa. though the part itself, not quite. i still would think made in japan might be somewhere on a part, to where they could put there name. i have seen parts, with, made in usa, that were from china. i believe it was usa, china. usa is only 3 letters. it could be usa, koera, usa hungary, usa theiwan, it could be just the box the part is in. we may have to talk about the relays. //ED tie one, tie one on, i still cant spell.:smile

 

[LedFTed]

new ECU/ new display

subzero, i am going to get a new display. got any ideals on UV protection. all though a tarp has been suggested, it might be easier just to have a flip over to block the screen. you dont want to have to put a tarp over the bike just to block the sun all the time. maybe a slipover, that covers only the screen. The next question, with a new ECU, should it happen, what happens to the hours and miles, i got now? im thinking it starts with zero. not fair to the one that that should ever buy the atv. im not going to sell it. sometimes the big fan in the sky hits. he-he.. sure wouldnt want a stranger not to be informed..

 

[fishfiles]

just saying : last week I changed the dash panel on a John Deere 450H , the hours were not readable on the old dash , when I picked up the $1,000 dash panel , which was $750 for the dash and $250 for an inter-phase box to match the old style and new style dash , the dealer offered to program the hours into the panel at a fee but since the hours were unknown , I left it set at zero , JD said they couldn't do it , but Bobcat can get the hours , serial number and code history off the controller with a lap top ----I doubt Honda is that way yet

 

[subzerosoundman]

John Deere parts are unbelievably expensive. I have a JD 3203 that would not turn over
with a 1 year old battery, so I looked up the price of a starter motor: $750.
That is for a small 3 cylinder, 1-2 liter engine. Outrageous really.
Turns out it was a dead battery. Whew.

LedFoot, I used steel wool on my Rancher display that was too clouded to see through.
Worked great after a lot of scrubbing, along with some oil or brake fluid (not sure which).
That Rancher had set for a couple of years with a dead battery, and when I put in
a new one the miles showed something like 98,989. I guess it lost its memory (old age?).
I am quite sure there are dealers/distributors out there who will run back the mileage
on older vehicles if they can, and apparently they can, so buyer beware.
Message me your address and I will send you a "try it first" relay setup.

 

[KBacon]

Since the part does not have Made in Japan stamped on it, I bet it was made in China.
Although they do have to add their own Japanese software to the microprocessor.
The Japanese are very proud of their work so they stamp almost everything they make.
Yes that means some parts on Honda ATVs are made in China. I know for a fact that
some Yamaha engines are made in China.

You know a lot of repair technicians, who are usually called "experts", use the old method
of replace a part with a new part; try it; if it don't work replace another part; repeat.
Of course the technician gets paid both ways. Students in the school of hard knocks
get to bang their head on stone over and over.

Maybe you should consider my ECU bypass. I can help you make it work, and it's cheap.

Which Yamaha engines are made in China? I do know that any "Yamaha ATV" smaller than the 450s are rebranded Chinese quads...

 

[subzerosoundman]

You may be right that only Yamaha ATV engines smaller than 450 are made in China.
One guy posted that he thought his old Linhai 550 was a Yamaha designed engine.
But all the pictures I found of Yamaha 550s had a cover plate over the left side
of the engine. If you can find a picture without the cover plate, you can compare
it to the Linhai picture I will attach. Of course, comparing the service manuals
would be the best way to see if they are the same.

On a side note, Polaris actually ships the whole atv body/chassis from China
and then loads them with their own engine/trans. And now the entire Polaris ATV
is assembled in Mexico.

Here is a post about Yamaha Linhai, from back when smaller engines dominated
(2003) but Yamaha/Linhai may be making larger engines now:
LINHAI-YAMAHA
Yamaha Motor has reached a 3-way agreement with the Chinese motorcycle engine maker Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Corporation (representative: Lu Haimin; Taizhou City, Jiangsu Province, China) and Yamaha Motor's motorcycle manufacturing joint venture Jiangsu Linhai Yamaha Motor Company Limited, known as "LYM" (representative: Lu Haimin; Jiangsu Province), to establish a new company to produce multi-purpose engines. The agreement will be officially signed in Shanghai on August 1, 2003.

The new company, to be named "Yamaha Motor Taizhou O.P.E. Company Limited" (O.P.E. stands for "outdoor power equipment") will be established in Taizhou City, Jiangsu Province in August of 2003 to produce four-stroke multi-purpose engines. The new company will be capitalized at US$3.3 million (approximately 400 million yen), 25% of which will be invested by Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd., 70% by LYM, and the remaining 5% by Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Corporation. LYM, itself a joint venture between Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. and Jiangsu Linhai Power Machinery Group Corporation, manufactures and markets complete motorcycles and engines under the Yamaha brand name.

The new company will occupy facilities with a floor area of approximately 5,000 m2, and is expected to start operations in the autumn of 2004. It will produce six four-stroke multi-purpose engine models with a maximum rating of 12 hp. In its initial year, output will be about 30,000 units, and by five years (FY2008) total production is expected to reach about 400,000 units. The first-year sales for the new company are expected to be approximately 20 million yuan (approx. 300 million yen).
To meet these production plans, the new factory will be initially staffed by 50, and after five years, staffing is expected to reach 130.

At 2003, Yamaha multipurpose engines are being manufactured at our group company SOQI, Inc. (representative: Katsuhiko Sakuramoto; Kakegawa City, Shizuoka Prefecture, Japan) at a rate of about 200,000 units annually. With the establishment of the new company, this multipurpose engine production will be completely transferred to China over the next three years or so with the aim of achieving substantially reduced costs while retaining Japanese levels of quality. Yamaha Motor also hopes this move will step up sales volumes, by shipping the engines to countries all over the world, and strengthen the international competitiveness of its multi-purpose engine business.

This information has been copied from Yamaha Global homepage.

 

[fishfiles]

I polished my screen with a headlight polishing kit , started with like 800grit , then 2000 grit , then the polish on a drill with a buffing pad , not perfect but 75% better ----my neighbor uses Off bug spray on his head light plastics and I was amazed when I seen how it does , I wouldn't do it , but it works

 

[LedFTed]

screen, polish, then ECU

I polished my screen with a headlight polishing kit , started with like 800grit , then 2000 grit , then the polish on a drill with a buffing pad , not perfect but 75% better ----my neighbor uses Off bug spray on his head light plastics and I was amazed when I seen how it does , I wouldn't do it , but it works

i did every thing you did, except for last step. i didnt get the kit for plastic headlight covers. i found something on line that does a similar thing, but was debating $8.oo, at Ebay. hours turned to days, days, into, by that time, i forgot about it. i might be able to save screen yet?
, beats $265.oo
i used lava soap, with water, and it does some work, though it may be bigger than 2000 wet an dry,. i been thinking[here we go again], that DE earth might be a polishing agent. it has very small particles, still you would have to polish it, with something else maybe??

 

[Duck0fDeath]

"Deep Woods Off" worked wonders on my trucks headlight lenses and it has lasted. Just don't let it run onto your other plastics and/or be ready with a wet rag and a hose once it does.

 

[LedFTed]

atv screen

"Deep Woods Off" worked wonders on my trucks headlight lenses and it has lasted. Just don't let it run onto your other plastics and/or be ready with a wet rag and a hose once it does.

Hey; pleased to meet ya; the screen i speak of is the display. however, i will keep that in mind, when it comes to one of the dumbest ideals that engineers ever made. ya got to love it. in the old days, all ya had to worry about was a bad bulb, an occasional rock, or me driving something, something that had to do with me, an that was on me. and with my vehicle. :smile , the plastic junk, it was made to cause problems. sure do miss wing windows, an floor vents.:big-grin PS, how much deet was in there?

 

[Duck0fDeath]

Deet is the key to its magic anti-hazing powers 25%