[footy]

I am hoping to get some guidance on this.
The starter will not disengage after the engine starts:

We have replaced the solenoid 3 times, the problem returns each time.

If you disconnect the starter button on the handle bar or turn the ignition switch off, the starter will still not disengage.

The only way to stop the starter is to disconnect the battery.

After disconnecting the battery, if you touch the battery terminal with the ground cable the starter begins immediately, even with ignition switch in the off position.
Thanks so much for your knowledge on this.
Thanks,
DT

 

[cmanningjr]

Trace the wires out from the solenoid to the starter, sound like one is damaged.


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[Rurouni20xx]

solenoid is welding shut internally. replace the solenoid yet again. are you using new honda solenoids or cheapo aftermarket ones? the honda ones are good for 10 years usually, only thing i can think of that will cause this is either oversized battery or jumping it off a lot, the amperage will fry the solenoids and ultimately the starter motor. always use the factory size battery and if it goes dead, recharge or replace it, never jump these off the wiring harness cant take the load of the higher amperage.

 

[ktriebol]

I think that since you have already replaced the starter relay three times, the problem is not likely with the relay itself. The relay seems to be getting a signal to be energized at all times, but it is supposed to only get an energizing signal when the key is on and the starter button is pushed. The energizing signal (+12v) is delivered to the starter relay via the yellow/red wire, and here is what I would do to evaluate this:

1. Disconnect your negative battery cable from the battery.
2. Disconnect the starter cable from the starter motor, and wrap the free cable end in tape or other insulating material so it does not short out against the frame during this test. Disconnecting the starter cable will keep the starter motor from running while conducting the rest of this test.
3. Attach your volt meter lead to the yellow/red wire at the starter relay, with the other meter lead attached to ground.
4. With the key off, hold the negative battery cable to the negative battery post and observe your volt meter. Under normal circumstances, it should read 0 volts, because it should only have 12 volts if the key is on and you press the starter button. If you read 12 volts with this test, your starter relay is getting a signal to energize when it should not be. In that case, you will need to track that down and find out where the yellow/red wire is getting 12 volts from.

 

[kentco]

Footy: Please clarify: You say that 'the starter will not disengage'. Does the starter motor continue to turn over the engine after you release the START button, OR, does the Starter motor stop turning over the engine, but won't disengage from the flywheel? Please clarify which of these symptoms is most true.

 

[jdp]

^^ Kentco was saying what I was thinking. I'd take the starter out and the plug try to turn the engine over by hand (with the spark plug out) and look at the teeth on the flywheel.

 

[Rurouni20xx]

im sticking with the solenoid is welded together internally.

hes saying with the key out of the ignition, the starter is still turning until he disconnects the battery cable from the post. this tells me that the starter is recieving power to turn over (starter circuit is complete) as long as the battery is connected. the only way this is possible with the key off (no power to the rest of the harness, start button or anything) is the solenoid is staying closed all the time, just like bypassing it with a screwdriver across the posts.

if he turns the key on and the starter turns until the key is turned off, then i would suspect frozen handlebar switch button or its related circuit, but this isnt the case.

ive seen this happen several times over time, and its usually really old and corroded internally. some cheaper (ebay) solenoids arent built to spec and hang up like this as well, thats why i asked what brand part he used. jumping the bike off will burn the insides as well sometimes.

 

[ktriebol]

It seems footy has flew the coop. Oh well, at least we can have a merry discussion among ourselves!

 

[Rurouni20xx]

seems to be a trend lately. no matter, at least the info is out there for anybody with similar issues. merry christmas and happy new year to everybody out there!