[mac102004]

Needs mo powa! Don't care about top speed I'm fine with going 40mph as long as it does 0-40 in about 2 seconds.


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[mac102004]

I'm with shade here, disc brakes should be on every ATV, drums are a thing of the past
next would be more HP, and a HIGH LOW range transfer case on utility models would be nice IMO
so those that work an ATV have the low end, and those that trail ride same ATV can have the top end!

next would be optional BETTER SHOCK packages, WHY now off better?? I am sure many of the pure trail guys would LOVE this option

Forgot about shocks, the ones that come on the Rubicons including the so called deluxe model are rubbish.

As far as disks all around all the IRS machines have this, I would like to see them go from the single rotor on the prop shaft to a dual rear brake setup. The drum on the rear of the SRA machines works OK, it's hard to put a disk on the SRA and keep it protected, I think widening the axle and running IRS style rear wheels would work, I never really understood the point to SRA wheels vs. a wider axle on more modern ATV's.

The Rubicon has High and Low in their DCT, the Rancher AT and Rincon NEED the subtrans as well. The S/ES machines really don't need it, the same thing could be accomplished by adding a 6th gear and starting with 1st a little lower than it is now.

 

[mac102004]

5th gear is an OD gear, 0.848:1 on the 500's for example.

 

[mac102004]

No new Honda ATV's here for me. But I will ask for one thing - gauges. Give me an oil temp gauge and a cylinder head temp gauge. Maybe a DC voltmeter and a tachometer.

Call me crazy but I like gauges.

Rick

You'll be delighted to know the new Foremans and Rubicons have coolant temp gauges. lol

 

[mac102004]

I don't think adding more gauges will leave you walking back to your truck.....

Tach is a VERY handy tool for tuning. Almost irreplaceable really. It's a lot easier dailing in your fuel map when you know what RPM the engine is at.

 

[mac102004]

I don't think adding more gauges will leave you walking back to your truck.....

Tach is a VERY handy tool for tuning. Almost irreplaceable really. It's a lot easier dailing in your fuel map when you know what RPM the engine is at.

You can buy aftermarket Tach's/ rev counters. Check eBayUK out.

I know, I've ran a TinyTach before. But it's a lot easier when it's already there lol

 

[mac102004]

You can buy aftermarket Tach's/ rev counters. Check eBayUK out.

I know, I've ran a TinyTach before. But it's a lot easier when it's already there lol

This is what I was on about Mac, I've considered getting one myself.



EBayUK item number 142112145258

Tiny tach does the same thing but you can hard mount it to the machine. It picks up the signal inductively from the spark plug wire as well. Also has built in hour meter...




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[mac102004]

How about a 4wd 700XX with about a 30hp bump in power while using a 5 speed semi auto....

 

[mac102004]

How about a 4wd 700XX with about a 30hp bump in power while using a 5 speed semi auto....

I'd spend the 12-13k that quad would probably cost and I'm sure a lot of CanAm and polaris owners would be willing to make a switch too. Even if it didn't get a bump in power, a 4x4 version would probably weight in at about 560lbs wet. that would be a hell of a quad with 55HP and a 5speed

That's kinda what I was thinking, 600# wet or so, even 650# I could live with. @55hp and a 5 speed it would be pretty comparable to a 70-75hp CVT quad with the difference in power loss through the drivetrain. But, I've never been one to settle for "comparable" lol

 

[mac102004]

why would you need a tach on a semi-automatic motor ?, that's like having it in my automatic transmission in my '00 Silverado ?, freaking useless for the most part.

So you would be fine not having anything other than idiot lights and speedometer on a pickup?

I know I'm not. I use my truck as it was designed. To pull trailers, plow snow, haul my four wheeler. I like to know if my plow is causing it to overheat or draining the battery down. Same thing with the trans temp.

What difference does it make if it had 1 gauge or 10? If a gauge fails it's not like you will be walking home lol

never said anything about the idiots lights ?..I SAID TACH !!..LOL. no automatic tranny should have a tach, unless your stickily working by the book ?. you don't need a tach for an automatic transmission ?..it aleady knows when to shift while in D, correct ?, it also has tow mode, knows when to shift then ?, a tach is worthless on a automatic, heck, I never even used it when I was driving a standard transmission truck ?, if you can't shift gears by ear ?, you don't need to drive a standard !..lol. ever wonder how many truck drivers ( real truck drivers that drive over the road ) use their clutch ??. I know a lot that never touch it, cept when in town ?..lol.

If you didn't have a tach on your CVT auto you'd never be able to find out what your shift out RPM is, or your redline, or like I said earlier it's REALLY helpful to know what RPM your at when your trying to make a fuel map. You seem to be fixated on the "fact" that you only need a tach to know when to shift, and is therefore useless with an auto transmission, and that is a ridiculous conclusion to come to IMO.

Have you ever had the speedo fail and had to drive by the tach readings? lol Guess not.....

 

[mac102004]

#1 I don't care when to shift an auto, like I said, how can I find out my shift out rpm for tuning my clutches in a CVT auto without a tach...
#2 I don't often work on my trucks, I have had speed sensors fail, I have had to guess my speed by rpm, which I wouldn't be able to do with no tach. We of course are talking about ATV's, but you keep bringing up your truck sooo?
#3 Yes I do do a lot of things "by the book" I've never used a tach for setting the idle mainly because I prefer to run EFI machines which do not have an adjustable idle speed.
#4 "What does a tach have to do with redline" Well, for starters how would you have any idea that your redline RPM is without a tach? Higher RPM means faster wheel speed, how do you know your getting your money's worth out of a rev box without being able to look at real world numbers. I know I operate on space ship technology here but say I go into the tuning on my machine and add another 500rpm to the max RPM, how would I ever know if I got it without a tach?

Arguing over how you don't need a tach is foolish, you'll never buy a new Honda anyway, so whether they dedicate 1" of the screen for a RPM readout or not shouldn't make much difference to you. But I tell you what, if Honda ever does start putting tachs on, and you somehow end up getting one, feel free to put a piece of tape over the RPM section and don't forget to come back here and brag to us about how you don't need a tach....


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[mac102004]

#1 I don't care when to shift an auto, like I said, how can I find out my shift out rpm for tuning my clutches in a CVT auto without a tach...
#2 I don't often work on my trucks, I have had speed sensors fail, I have had to guess my speed by rpm, which I wouldn't be able to do with no tach. We of course are talking about ATV's, but you keep bringing up your truck sooo?
#3 Yes I do do a lot of things "by the book" I've never used a tach for setting the idle mainly because I prefer to run EFI machines which do not have an adjustable idle speed.
#4 "What does a tach have to do with redline" Well, for starters how would you have any idea that your redline RPM is without a tach? Higher RPM means faster wheel speed, how do you know your getting your money's worth out of a rev box without being able to look at real world numbers. I know I operate on space ship technology here but say I go into the tuning on my machine and add another 500rpm to the max RPM, how would I ever know if I got it without a tach?

Arguing over how you don't need a tach is foolish, you'll never buy a new Honda anyway, so whether they dedicate 1" of the screen for a RPM readout or not shouldn't make much difference to you. But I tell you what, if Honda ever does start putting tachs on, and you somehow end up getting one, feel free to put a piece of tape over the RPM section and don't forget to come back here and brag to us about how you don't need a tach....


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fine, i'll speak of Honda atvs, hows that ?, you will never see Honda put a tach on their atvs , why ?, because they program the shift points into their ecu's..thats why !..lol. in case ya missed it ?, most all newer atvs are controlled by the computer, sensors for the most part, which controls the ecu. again, I don't need a stupid tach for a semi-auto tranny on an atv ?, you may need it ?.as for the redline crap ?..it's built into the ecu rev limiter..no tach needed..lmfao.

There is only 3 ATV's on the market today that have their transmissions controlled by an ECM, and they are all Honda's.

I don't need a tach, I can get by without one, but much like a gas gauge, coolant temp gauge, speedometer, hour meter etc. they are nice to have.


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[mac102004]

never said anything about the idiots lights ?..I SAID TACH !!..LOL. no automatic tranny should have a tach, unless your stickily working by the book ?. you don't need a tach for an automatic transmission ?..it aleady knows when to shift while in D, correct ?, it also has tow mode, knows when to shift then ?, a tach is worthless on a automatic, heck, I never even used it when I was driving a standard transmission truck ?, if you can't shift gears by ear ?, you don't need to drive a standard !..lol. ever wonder how many truck drivers ( real truck drivers that drive over the road ) use their clutch ??. I know a lot that never touch it, cept when in town ?..lol.

Well if an auto truck doesn't need a tach then why does it need all those other gauges?

And being you brought up "real truck drivers". I drive trucks. 8-10 speed mostly but have run a few 18 speeds. 6 wheelers all the way up to 22 wheelers. Starting out in construction you don't get assigned one truck. You get whatever piece junk is left. And that changes daily lol. If any of them tell you they've never used the tach they're full of sh*t. Every truck is different. Different manufactures have higher or lower rpm shift points depending on the torque curve. Sure once you get some miles in it you don't need the tach and can go by ear.

Then there's progressive shifting. Which is used to save fuel while on the way to highway speed by over the road truckers. You need to use the tach for that or else you're defeating the purpose of it. Unless they have a perfectly tuned ear and can tell rpm differences of about 500 rpm lol

And as far as the clutch goes, the reason they don't need a clutch is because they've used the tach to find the the proper shift rpm and then learned the sound from that. I don't need to use the clutch. But if I'm loaded heavy I might. They put it there for a reason. And if it makes easier on the trans then why not use it? When your at about 90k lbs banging gears hard can leave you stranded.

'' why does an auto truck need all those other gauges '' ?, are you for real mac ?, or you just trying me ?..lol those other gauges are there for a reason !. they tell you how hot your engine is ?, they tell you what your oil pressure is ?, they tell you if your charging system is ..well..you guessed it...charging !!. they tell you your transmission temp ?, shall I go on ?...lol. I drove many small pick ups, and both I could shift without using the clutch !!. not sure how you drive ?, but you learn a few things as you get to be my age !..lol. shifting gears does apply to a tach ?, but !!!..you do not need a tach to shift !, if you know the engines rpms ?, the sound it makes once it reaches that rpm limit..BY EAR !!, then you could shift all day without a stupid tach, prove me I am wrong !..lol.

Well, your not replying to my post there shade....just so ya know LOL

 

[mac102004]

I know my 01 Rancher doesn't have brake lights, but my 04 Rancher does, whether 04 was the first year for it with the remodel, or if they got it in 02 or 03 idk. The Rincon had them in 03, Foreman 450 might have got them in 02? Either way, any new Honda ATV you buy today will have them.


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