[mrbb]

I just seen this and thought I would post since i know over the yrs there has been some topic's on getting atv's or SXS's for those with disabilities, and it seems now honda is working with having hand controls and such as options on some models

here is a link to some info, maybe can help some one down the road

Honda, MPS Collaborate On Side-By-Side Outfitted For Drivers With SCIs Hand-control-equipped Talon prototype tested by former motocrosser Blake Savage | Dirt Toys Magazine

Torrance, Calif. - To assist former professional motocross racer Blake Savage, who in January suffered a spinal-cord injury (SCI), American Honda recently teamed up with Manufacturing & Production Services (MPS) to prepare a Talon 1000R sport side-by-side

www.dirttoysmag.com

 

[LedFTed]

this post could get buried, if its not a sticky..

 

[SamUK]

this post could get buried, if its not a sticky..

Stickied ;-)

 

[LedFTed]

i think the title should be changed. i got my own problems, had 2 major strokes, fell on some porch steps, fractured a lower disk. i still get around good, though some honda models, i have trouble shifting, because the pedal, its to hard for my left foot to pull up on. that was a leftover from the strokes. the sciatica, just keeps me indoors more than i want. the stroke explains my sentence structure, an spelling.. So What, Shit happens..im not looking for any empathy, of sympathy.
what i think the title should say, is the question..
1st. honda with handicapped. 2nd. handicapped riding hondas. 3rd. handicapped riding honda ideals. 4th. well i aint got this far as yet.., im still looking forward to a rocker foot shift.. toe down shift up, heel down, shift down.. //ed

 

[mlap5150]

Really cool to see this technology becoming more available. I have an injury similar to Blake's, and it seems to me that most adaptive equipment for riding is a custom job. An off-the-shelf bolt-on solution, or better yet having the equipment installed at the factory, would make life a whole lot easier.

 

[wheelsquad]

i think the title should be changed. i got my own problems, had 2 major strokes, fell on some porch steps, fractured a lower disk. i still get around good, though some honda models, i have trouble shifting, because the pedal, its to hard for my left foot to pull up on. that was a leftover from the strokes. the sciatica, just keeps me indoors more than i want. the stroke explains my sentence structure, an spelling.. So What, Shit happens..im not looking for any empathy, of sympathy.
what i think the title should say, is the question..
1st. honda with handicapped. 2nd. handicapped riding hondas. 3rd. handicapped riding honda ideals. 4th. well i aint got this far as yet.., im still looking forward to a rocker foot shift.. toe down shift up, heel down, shift down.. //ed

If we're talking about changing the title.... Get rid of the word "handicapped" altogether. Use terms like "people with a disability" or "person with Spinal Cord Injury" or "person with mobility needs".

I've been living with a serious spinal cord injury since 2002. Also a former motocross racer like the guy in the article.

I actually find it quite humorous this even made it as a magazine article. Anyone who is living with a spinal cord injury knows these types of modifications for a sxs are standard issue (just need to do some custom fitting in each one) and there is nothing special about what they have done here. They took a sxs and installed hand controls made by a company that has been making them this way for decades.

Now what would REALLY be newsworthy is if Honda were to make this a factory installed option and at a reasonable or grant-funded. But I didn't see anything in the article about that.

 

[mrbb]

well feel free to change the title, I meant no disrespect with words I used, if they caused anyone any!
I just figured it would get attention as is, and not in a negative way at all!

 

[LedFTed]

well feel free to change the title, I meant no disrespect with words I used, if they caused anyone any!
I just figured it would get attention as is, and not in a negative way at all!

there is no disrespect. i must have been hearing to much politically correct speech.
as you can tell from the way i write, sometimes i can be quite mentally challenged. even the spellcheck, don't help..
i ment to throw some other terms in the mix. that is all. "Disabled Honda Riders", for instance or "Handicapped with Honda".. just looking for suggestions. besides,
"when Budweiser walks, bs talks"
i cant use a manual shift, its not there in the left foot, but a rocker shift is, toe/heel shift... this should be a grand forum, for all, handicapped, or not, bring innovation..
its a grand ideal..

 

[mlap5150]

Now what would REALLY be newsworthy is if Honda were to make this a factory installed option and at a reasonable or grant-funded. But I didn't see anything in the article about that.

1000% agree with this. I know guys who are trying to get some traction with the factories for adaptive equipment (landing gear etc.) on two-wheeled machines but unfortunately they have not had any luck so far. We're too small of a niche apparently.

 

[mrbb]

1000% agree with this. I know guys who are trying to get some traction with the factories for adaptive equipment (landing gear etc.) on two-wheeled machines but unfortunately they have not had any luck so far. We're too small of a niche apparently.

my guess is there all scared of law suits and the legal end of it, and the costs to get themselves protected fromt hem are what keep them away.
I know or should say maybe IMO< the few company's that do hand controls for vehicles and build vehicles with them modified on, and or just modified vehicles for the disabled/handi cap
seem to really take advantaged of those that need them, and get away with it, as they are the ONLY one's that legally can do the mods in street legal vehicles , from what I learned after my father lost a let/
here in PA< I think there are like two places in the WHOLE state that can legally install the parts on a vehicles for street legal use, and they charge CRAZY fee's for the install and approval stickers they then add ??
and holy CRAP<> the price they charge for vehicles added already with simple mods, it should be a CRIME the prices they charge, as they seem to know, folks have NO option BUT to pay there crazy fee's
the simple hand controls they added to my fathers van last time took them about 30 minutes of install time, road test and they are NOTHING special, rather simple design parts, of some what a universal design so they can be fitted to many vehicles
the costs for this was almost 6 grand, for 30 minutes of labor and about 200 bucks in parts IF that!
and a waiting line to get installed , due to ONLY few legal installers in the whole state!
so they know you DON"T have a option to say NO to there HIGH prices!
van off them set up with a ramp and controls can be almost TWICE the price of a van off a show floor without the simple mods!, so say a 80-100k for a plain jane mini van with simple mods?
sure makes you feel bad for folks that are being taken advantage of by folks and business's that do the work to HELP them, at such a high price tag!,a s again, to me it seems they KNOW they can ask what ever, as what other options do they have??
sorry about rant, I just think most folks don;t know this stuff, and maybe don't think about it. there sghould be better laws in place to mandate fair pricing for things like this! IMO!

 

[wheelsquad]

well feel free to change the title, I meant no disrespect with words I used, if they caused anyone any!
I just figured it would get attention as is, and not in a negative way at all!

there is no disrespect. i must have been hearing to much politically correct speech.
as you can tell from the way i write, sometimes i can be quite mentally challenged. even the spellcheck, don't help..
i ment to throw some other terms in the mix. that is all. "Disabled Honda Riders", for instance or "Handicapped with Honda".. just looking for suggestions. besides,
"when Budweiser walks, bs talks"
i cant use a manual shift, its not there in the left foot, but a rocker shift is, toe/heel shift... this should be a grand forum, for all, handicapped, or not, bring innovation..
its a grand ideal..

No offense or disrepsect taken. You guys always are and only want to be helpful. I just thought since it was being made a sticky, might as well get the terminology to represent more of who it actually helps. It's not a politically correct thing at all. But there is something to be said of how terms we use affect how people perceive things, even if subliminally. I've lived seeing this for almost 2 decades now.

If I had to re-title it myself, I guess I'd go with "Honda SXS with Adaptive Controls (for drivers with paralysis)". That's just one specific option.

And after re-reading the original article, I think what actually made it article-worthy was not WHAT it was about (because hand controls in a SXS is nothing special), but more WHO it was about. This is Ken Roczen's close friend who had a SCI while training with Ken.

 

[mrbb]

No offense or disrepsect taken. You guys always are and only want to be helpful. I just thought since it was being made a sticky, might as well get the terminology to represent more of who it actually helps. It's not a politically correct thing at all. But there is something to be said of how terms we use affect how people perceive things, even if subliminally. I've lived seeing this for almost 2 decades now.

If I had to re-title it myself, I guess I'd go with "Honda SXS with Adaptive Controls (for drivers with paralysis)". That's just one specific option.

And after re-reading the original article, I think what actually made it article-worthy was not WHAT it was about (because hand controls in a SXS is nothing special), but more WHO it was about. This is Ken Roczen's close friend who had a SCI while training with Ken.

I can see your side of things, but My post was more to inform anyone with issue's as maybe there are different forms of disabilities that can use these hand controls or like options, and not know about them
using a title specific like"Adaptive Controls (for drivers with paralysis)"
might cause others with different issues to maybe not see it, so I went with a more broad wording, maybe not PC and sorry if I again offended anyone, was just trying to help as many as possible, as sadly, I have to think not all folks with injuries know these things have been available for a long time, or even out there?
and just using the words adaptive controls, might confuse some folks too as not all again, know this stuff or what it even is.
AS sadly, many don't even think bout things till they find themselves in the situation!
I know I am sure guilty of this, I had NO clue the costs of things till I found I was in need to learn for my father!
and I quickly learned, IMO< some company's price gouge the heck out of folks that have no other real options and should be a crime IMO

 

[LedFTed]

more awareness needs to be made, of those that are disabled. and the price gouging, thats nuts, needs to be stopped...
i needed a foot, for my cane. the old rubber one wore out. the VA couldnt get me one. it wasnt in the vendors contract. the VA could get me a new cane. i went to Wally world, got two cane tips for $2.oo.. ya cant make this stuff up.. the gov. has plenty of money to spend. the peoples.
Opps, not the political forum.
"Adaptive Control For Disabled" just throwing a line.
i want to make it catchy..

 

[mrbb]

more awareness needs to be made, of those that are disabled. and the price gouging, thats nuts, needs to be stopped...
i needed a foot, for my cane. the old rubber one wore out. the VA couldnt get me one. it wasnt in the vendors contract. the VA could get me a new cane. i went to Wally world, got two cane tips for $2.oo.. ya cant make this stuff up.. the gov. has plenty of money to spend. the peoples.
Opps, not the political forum.
"Adaptive Control For Disabled" just throwing a line.
i want to make it catchy..

it is sad how difficult logic is to find in many medical dept's and like area's of life

 

[LedFTed]

i can only add to the fact^^^^.. the VA runs slow, with healthcare. the Gov. exerts so much control, that some doctor's will delay treatment, to gain from it. .i.e, if you got a heavy patient load, perhaps you are more valuable, then a quick, overturn, as healed patients. plus you might save some money, for the gov, by not doing the tests, that will solve the problem.. the VA patient involved, stays in the system, slowing the care for other VA patients..
somehow, this is a money making racket. i cant prove it, but feel it is so..

 

[Joe Knight ATV Sgroi]

That is really great, love seeing people helping people. My wife teaches therapeutic horseback riding lessons for people with special needs. I would love to have a hand control vehicle on the farm that I could let some people drive around.

 

[fishfiles]

I miss Mr BB < would like to see a post from him !!!!

 

[LedFTed]

adaptive controls ?