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I’m coming to you guys as always when I have a issue, my quad (2011 rancher 420fe es) started having a shifting issue yesterday. It started as Normal riding and it was in 4th gear and would not downshift at all or even make a noise like it was trying, after hours of trouble shooting I reset the computer by holding the battery terminals together and it made it so the quad would downshift and I was able to upshift and ride as it should, today I went to ride it and got a good distance from home and it did the same thing but in 3rd gear this time so I connected the terminals again and it rode for probably 10 minuets and when I went to stop it got stuck in neutral and will not shift at ALL I have tried the terminals 2 times after it got stuck in neutral and still nothing, I believe it could be one of 3 possible things. (electronic shift motor, shift angle sensor or the thumb shifters) all of the other thumb controls work as they should so I do not think it is that. If anyone has had this issue or knows how to help that would be greatly appreciated.
 

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I do not have a copy of the service manual for your bike. Do you have one?

Is this bike ridden in water and/or mud occasionally? Or gets pressure washed? Parked outdoors in the rain?

Reason why I ask is the ES system is not waterproofed from the factory. So the smartest approach to problem solving/prevention involves a complete ES teardown. Beginning with cleaning & dielectric greasing all wiring harness plugs on the bike along with the ES shift switches. Then the reduction gears, shift motor and angle sensor get taken off, opened up for cleaning, fresh synthetic greasing and waterproof sealing during reassembly. Never assume that something like the switches are working... cause even if they are at the moment, they won't be for very long.
 

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I do have the manual and the quad is very often ridden in mud and water, I pressure wash it frequently, last night I was doing some trouble shooting and when I took the shift angle sensor plug off and the electronic shift motor off there was no water in the connectors or inside the closed areas. The quad is stored indoors almost all the time @retro
 

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Water will get in every harness plug on the bike eventually, so as I mentioned the 1st step in solving/preventing every ES shift issue is remove fenders, clean every connector on the bike and reassemble using liberal amounts of dielectric grease in each one. Then move on to the shift motor and mechanical parts. ES systems are very poorly prepared at the factory. They even use the wrong type of grease (and you are lucky if you even find any) in the reduction gears bearings and gears. Have fun with it.
 

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@retro are you saying it would be a smart idea to pull off the small front case area where the shifter is and clean it out good and grease it up? If so what grease should I use and should I be worried about putting it back together incorrectly and having worse shift issues and is the electric motor that shifts it servo style or closer to a stepper? Worth a shot to find out more info, thanks!
 

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I am not an ES guy but have read many threads on this site related to the topic , and have a few ES bikes in my parts pile , the thing you need to watch is to not to disassemble the shift motor , seems some have taken the motor part instead of taking the motor off the case , and had troubles getting the motor back together , I seem to remember white lithium being the grease of choice by a few

But you can't believe everything you read , chit , I read where ES's are very reliable and hardly never break --- LOL
 

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@retro are you saying it would be a smart idea to pull off the small front case area where the shifter is and clean it out good and grease it up? If so what grease should I use and should I be worried about putting it back together incorrectly and having worse shift issues and is the electric motor that shifts it servo style or closer to a stepper? Worth a shot to find out more info, thanks!
Yes, the ES system will be problematic until you service it properly. Most ES issues (probably over 98% of the time) arise because none of the parts in the system were prepared right at the factory. There are also shoddy assembly issues on many bikes that need correcting.

ES prep is necessary for both; a repair for existing shift issues, AND a one-time preventive maintenance procedure.

I intend to write up a comprehensive ES Howto thread with photos someday, I have the donor bike (450 ES) sitting in my yard waiting... but thats a winter project. I do not have the free time necessary to begin just yet.

No parts are required unless something has already broke, but you'll need a small tube of dielectric grease, a tub of NLGI #2 synthetic grease (Mobil 1 works great), a tube of silicone gasket maker (I use Permatex Ultra Black), possibly a green scotchbrite pad (or fine sandpaper) & a plastic bottle brush, and some sort of cleaning solvent & hot soapy water. You can buy most of those items from any auto parts store.

The reduction gears cover has to be taken off and the gears removed. All parts (including inside the front cover) should be cleaned with a solvent and small plastic brush to remove any old, dried lithium grease that remains. You can use solvent on a rag to clean up inside each half of the reduction gears housing.

The shift motor has to be taken completely apart and those parts washed. Use warm soapy water and a plastic bottle brush to clean up inside the field magnets housing. If you need to clean the armature use only soap & water on a cloth or a soft plastic brush. Rinse and dry them completely. A common hair blow-dryer set on low heat works good. Wash the remaining shift motor metal parts and bearing with solvent and dry them.

Next, inspect each reduction gear support bearing to make sure that they were installed right at the factory. Many times a bearing will be found cocked in its bore and/or not pressed down into place just below the surface of the cover or case where it belongs. This bearing issue is very common and must be corrected if found, else the reduction gears will drag on the housing and some will strip gear teeth. If you find a bearing not installed straight, tap it down using the end of a plastic screwdriver handle until its square and flush with its bore chamfer.

Using your finger, push synthetic grease into each bearing past the metal bearing shields until each bearing is repacked with fresh grease. Those tiny bearings are not sealed so just keep pushing grease inside them until each are full. Then smear some synthetic grease on the interior aluminum surfaces of each half of the case & cover and coat each reduction gear with liberal amounts of grease and set them aside.

Next, reassemble the shift motor with synthetic grease in each of its two bearings. See the following set of posts for shift motor assembly instructions:
https://www.hondaatvforums.net/foru...y/117193-creamsicle-orange-2.html#post1151201
In that thread I used silicone 0-ring grease for sealing the motor assembly. In your case though, you should use gasket maker instead. So apply light coatings of silicone gasket maker on each o-ring seal and gasket that I applied o-ring grease. Assembly is pretty much the same other than that.

Install the angle sensor last... there is a flat on the shift shaft that must be lined up when you put it on. Use a thin coating of gasket maker to seal it to the cover.

Do not overtighten any of the bolts during reassembly. Grease the threads of each bolt lightly and tighten them down in a criss-cross pattern evenly.

You can use the (5101394) 2007-2010 TRX420 Rancher service manual at the following link for reference as you work, everything in that manual is pretty much the same as you'll find on your 2011.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12hzs10L_Gwu0aVyp8vhmEXNdf2N2P7tk

Final step: Open, inspect, clean and dielectric grease every wiring harness connector pair on the bike, one at a time. You'll probably need to remove fenders to access them all. This is very important... they are not completely waterproof as they come from the factory. If you find any terminals turning green with corrosion, carefully clean them up... do not bend any of them. Use lots of dielectric grease around each of the rubber plug seals in each connector.

Take your time and work very thoroughly. Use the manual for reference. Ask questions when/if you have any. And keep a big smile on as you work... cause once you complete these ES preparations you'll be amazed at how well the system works, how fast it shifts and how quietly (and efficiently) it performs. And it'll probably last as long as the bike does without you buying any parts.

Keep us updated if you can...
 

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I am not an ES guy but have read many threads on this site related to the topic , and have a few ES bikes in my parts pile , the thing you need to watch is to not to disassemble the shift motor , seems some have taken the motor part instead of taking the motor off the case , and had troubles getting the motor back together , I seem to remember white lithium being the grease of choice by a few

But you can't believe everything you read , chit , I read where ES's are very reliable and hardly never break --- LOL
ES bikes are always broken and will always remain broken... from the day they leave the dealer floor until the day that they are finally, completely disassembled and prepped right.

After proper and thorough prepping they each work great and last as long as any other parts on the bike. If you take them swimming though, plan on re-doing the entire procedure often, just as often as you must re-prep everything else on a submarined bike, for continued waterproof-ness.

The problem is, always have been, and always will be; improper and shoddy assembly, the wrong type of greases used, and no waterproof sealing whatsoever done at the factory.

We are stuck with a gazillion of them unfortunately. And conversion to footshift is not an option for most folks. We gotta help folks fix them, we got no other choice.

I believe we can and will....
 

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@retro, are the reduction gears in the rear section of the case and you are saying to take the actual shift motor apart and I really like the es because the thumb shift makes mud riding easier other then the fact that it’s prepared improperly
 

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I am not an ES guy but have read many threads on this site related to the topic , and have a few ES bikes in my parts pile , the thing you need to watch is to not to disassemble the shift motor , seems some have taken the motor part instead of taking the motor off the case , and had troubles getting the motor back together , I seem to remember white lithium being the grease of choice by a few

But you can't believe everything you read , chit , I read where ES's are very reliable and hardly never break --- LOL
ES bikes are always broken and will always remain broken... from the day they leave the dealer floor until the day that they are finally, completely disassembled and prepped right.

After proper and thorough prepping they each work great and last as long as any other parts on the bike. If you take them swimming though, plan on re-doing the entire procedure often, just as often as you must re-prep everything else on a submarined bike, for continued waterproof-ness.

The problem is, always have been, and always will be; improper and shoddy assembly, the wrong type of greases used, and no waterproof sealing whatsoever done at the factory.

We are stuck with a gazillion of them unfortunately. And conversion to footshift is not an option for most folks. We gotta help folks fix them, we got no other choice.

I believe we can and will....
you must remember, they are not water proofed from the factory, because they were not intended for lakes/ponds/swamps !!!, they built them ( kinda shady at that ! ) to use on DRY land. no where on/in the atv name does it say built for lakes/ponds/swamps ?!!!..lol.
 

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@retro, are the reduction gears in the rear section of the case and you are saying to take the actual shift motor apart and I really like the es because the thumb shift makes mud riding easier other then the fact that it’s prepared improperly
The reduction gears are inside the shift motor cover. And yes, you'll have to take the shift motor completely apart as well as everything else.

Study the links and photos and explanations I have provided. Download, print the relevant sections and read and follow the manual. Buy the necessary supplies and be patient and thorough... It takes a lot of time to complete. We are here to help you as you need it.

I'll go step-by-step with ya if need be. Most of us can't be on the forums all day every day though, so please be patient with us.
 

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you must remember, they are not water proofed from the factory, because they were not intended for lakes/ponds/swamps !!!, they built them ( kinda shady at that ! ) to use on DRY land. no where on/in the atv name does it say built for lakes/ponds/swamps ?!!!..lol.
Yep, they won't even survive their 1st pressure washing! They all suck! But I am determined to help folks live with them!

Someday soon I am going to make a detailed Howto thread. I have a perfect candidate ('00 450 Foreman ES) sitting in my yard right now. It has all of the common symptoms found on most ES bikes including dried, gummy grease, cocked bearings and corroded green wiring harness plugs!

I can't wait to get my camera on that bugger! Coming soon!!! :)
 

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you must remember, they are not water proofed from the factory, because they were not intended for lakes/ponds/swamps !!!, they built them ( kinda shady at that ! ) to use on DRY land. no where on/in the atv name does it say built for lakes/ponds/swamps ?!!!..lol.
Yep, they won't even survive their 1st pressure washing! They all suck! But I am determined to help folks live with them!

Someday soon I am going to make a detailed Howto thread. I have a perfect candidate ('00 450 Foreman ES) sitting in my yard right now. It has all of the common symptoms found on most ES bikes including dried, gummy grease, cocked bearings and corroded green wiring harness plugs!

I can't wait to get my camera on that bugger! Coming soon!!! :)
lol, well..i'll say a prayer or two for ya !..lol.
 

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@retro I’m glad I found this forum because everyone is so nice and helpful, and I’m glad that you have the patience to talk to me ?. If I were to take the reduction gears apart I would have to pop the larger part of the front case correct? I get that the smaller one with the shift motor has the half moon gear that is poorly greased, but would I have to drain the oil and coolant? I would think so because of the water pump and the fact that it is a main case. And could I have a little more detailed info on just the shift motor and small case section, it was hard for me to pick just that out of your instructions, thanks for all the help!
 

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@shadetree they may not say for mud, pond and water use but that’s what it’s gonna get used for lol and it took a while to get to the shift issue point because my quad has just over 1000 miles and I Big it all the time and pressure wash EVERYTHING on it, I would pull the side covers off and go to town on the engine and connectors and everything, now I know that’s a no go it’s light water pressure and brush washing from now on
 

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@shadetree they may not say for mud, pond and water use but that’s what it’s gonna get used for lol and it took a while to get to the shift issue point because my quad has just over 1000 miles and I Big it all the time and pressure wash EVERYTHING on it, I would pull the side covers off and go to town on the engine and connectors and everything, now I know that’s a no go it’s light water pressure and brush washing from now on
then get ready to spend a ton of time here asking for help !..lol. your ride, your cash, your time, do as ya wish :).
 

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@retro I’m glad I found this forum because everyone is so nice and helpful, and I’m glad that you have the patience to talk to me ?. If I were to take the reduction gears apart I would have to pop the larger part of the front case correct? I get that the smaller one with the shift motor has the half moon gear that is poorly greased, but would I have to drain the oil and coolant? I would think so because of the water pump and the fact that it is a main case. And could I have a little more detailed info on just the shift motor and small case section, it was hard for me to pick just that out of your instructions, thanks for all the help!
ya don't need to pull the front engine cover. just the small cover where the electric shift is, this has the transfer gears right behind it. no reason to drain oil.
 

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lol, well..i'll say a prayer or two for ya !..lol.
Save your breath, I'm gonna do it no matter what! LOL.

Nevermind the naysayers Scott4700. Ignore them, none of them can help you fix/live with your bike. But dang it I sure will!!! Got basic tools and lots of time? If so, start reading all that you've been provided and hollar once you get ready!
 

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I have a full aftermarket skid plate, would it be best to take that off then pressure wash it and plug my crank case vent hose and stand the quad up on its back end so I have the shift assembly flat and easy access from between the frame rails @retro
 
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