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My neighbor bought a 800 CF Moto 2 weeks ago and was pretty proud of it , Saturday past they went to a local mud ride and it got a little wet and started smoking like the engine and exhaust was steaming , only thing it wasn't steam but smoke , the wiring harness shorted out and did a melt down , he took it to the dealer Tuesday when they open and word is water damage , not covered under warranty , lucky for him he bought the insurance as they say insurance will cover it ---------------- my other buddy bought the 600 CF Moto and two days and it melted the plastic side cover by the exhaust and he says it got so hot it burns your leg thru your pants , he brings it back and they tell him the factory didn't heat wrap the pipe and that there is a modification coming out in a month or so that is a heat shield to cover the exhaust ---------------- I'd stay away from the CF Moto
 

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I'm not defending CF Moto or anything like that by any means but from everything I've read in Dirt Wheels Mag. everytime they do a test ride/report on a CF Moto machine they always seem to have good things to say about them. They do seem to be gaining steam and becoming more popular. I don't think I would ever sell off my Honda's to buy one, but the future will be very interesting to see if CF Moto rises to the ball park ranking of Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, etc. or falls flat on it's face and bankrupts. I would like to ride one though to get some first hand experience with one so I can formulate an educated opinion of them. :)
 

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My impression of Chinese-manufactured good is, unless the factory has been set up and is supervised by a foreign national, quality is whatever they can get away with. When CF Moto gets ISO 9001 certified, then I'd consider buying a product from them. But we have so many good choices in the ATV/UTV market from quality companies that make their products here in the US (including Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Can-Am, Polaris, etc.), why would I take a chance on a Chinese-built ATV?

I have 4 Japanese-built motorcycles (3 Hondas and a Yammie), and an Italian-built bike (Honda EU manufactured), an an American-made ATV (Honda). I can't see buying something made in China unless a US, Japanese, German, or Korean company runs the factory. The Chinese will eventually figure out how to build quality in... but they can learn on someone else's dime. Oh, another problem I have with Chinese-owned companies is that many of them are owned by the People's Liberation Army, and profits go to build up the Chinese military.

BTW, Google pulled manufacture of the Moto-X phone back to the US, and Apple is manufacturing the Mac Pro here in the US, too. With the rise of CNC and other forms of automated manufacturing, we'll see more manufacturing here in the US... but we'll never again see a low-skilled manufacturing jobs base.
 

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Like I was saying, its going to be interesting to see what these 'new' (CF Moto, Kymco, etc.) companies amount to in the years to come. I was just re-reading the Semptember issue of Dirt Wheels and ran acrossed the test report of the 2013 Kawasaki Brute Force 300. According to Dirt Wheels sources Kawasaki went to Kymco to design this machine. Why? I don't know. Maybe Kawasaki knows something we don't. Now, I don't have any idea how CF Moto or Kymco hold up when compared to all the big names but I would like to throw a leg over them and give them a test ride. I think one of the things they do not have going for them at this point like the big guns is...product and parts support. I like the idea of being able to go down town and either order or pick up the parts I need. I would not buy one at this point in time, but like I had said before....this is gonna get interesting. Lol. I'm a pretty hardcore Honda man myself as is the rest of my family. In the mean time I'm gonna keep riding what I feel is the best of the best. :)
 

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I was told by someone that Kymco used to be an engine manufacturer for Honda. It sounded like Honda owned it, or was a partner, and Kymco bought them out and went on their own. I have no idea if any of that is fact.
 

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I was told by someone that Kymco used to be an engine manufacturer for Honda. It sounded like Honda owned it, or was a partner, and Kymco bought them out and went on their own. I have no idea if any of that is fact.
Here ya go>>>Kymco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia They're building the engines for BMW bikes now also...
 
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