a bill of sale WILL KEEP YOUR AZZ OUT OF JAIL THOUGH !. oh, and there is no such thing as a title for atvs ?, they are called '' bill of origin ''. unless you live in a state where it is street legal ?, there is no need for a title. if your really smart ?, you will look to see if the vin number has been tampered with at all ?, this should throw a red flag up !. regardless, i'd rather be out cash, then go to jail ?, and a bill of sale is all you need to save your azz from going to jail. and for the record ?, I take a pic of the plate on their car/truck..this way I got some kinda proof who I got it from.a bill of sale won;'t help you if the atv was stolen and or not paid of and there is s lien on it
as if you BUY a stolen atv, and it ends up found in your possession, you will LOOSE the $$ you paid for it and the ATV
and if there is still a bank load/lien on it and again someone sells it to you, , the bank can still come and take it back, report it stolen or?? and again your OUT a atv and the $$ you paid
the BILL of sale, IF the seller used actual real info(many lie here)
BUT if info is accurate, you can TRY and SUE the person for the money you lost, but don;t expect this to be easy or cheap, or some owner to just HAND you back your money
SO< NOT having a title will be a gamble
as , even if your BUDDY is a COP, and runs VIN today and it gets reported stolen a few weeks later(many folks keep atvs away from where they live and takes time to find they are stolen)
you can be right back to where you started
MOST states will provide you with a NEW title, by doing simple paperwork, for a small fee
IMO< where I live since there required to register and LEGALLY own and use in my home state, I would never BUY one that doesn't have a title, that planned to insure and spend a bunch of $$ on
if dirt cheap? well, maybe a gamble worth, but if worth $$ and dirt cheap, would be a red flag to me too!
SO< I guess it can come down to WHERE you live and what your plans are, and HOW much $$ your willing to gamble with IMO!
bill of sale only works if you can prove it was a REAL onea bill of sale WILL KEEP YOUR AZZ OUT OF JAIL THOUGH !. oh, and there is no such thing as a title for atvs ?, they are called '' bill of origin ''. unless you live in a state where it is street legal ?, there is no need for a title. if your really smart ?, you will look to see if the vin number has been tampered with at all ?, this should throw a red flag up !. regardless, i'd rather be out cash, then go to jail ?, and a bill of sale is all you need to save your azz from going to jail. and for the record ?, I take a pic of the plate on their car/truck..this way I got some kinda proof who I got it from.
mind you, each state has its own laws, not all will be the same. here in Arkansas, all you need is a bill of sale.bill of sale only works if you can prove it was a REAL one
as any idiot can make one and make a signature on it
so I don;t think one will keep you out of jail, pending the reason they found you with it
here in PA< we do get issued titles with atv, snowmobiles and even MX bikes, as well as other things
says TITLE at top of paperwork
ton so stolen atv 's are sold with INTACT Vins, as not everyone will alter them, as they KNOW its harder to sell if they do
so, again, a lot may come down to where you live and well, again, HOW Much your willing to gamble
staying out of jail will be a LOT easier with a state issued title, or "bill of Origin"
over a hand written bill of sale!
NOW< if you buy many things in MANY states these days, they (state DMV or DCNR) will actually have forms that are LEGAL bills of sale, and they require you to have motorized at time of sale!, making them official BILL OF SALES
and not just a piece of paper ANY idiot can make and scribble a fake name or info on it!
BIG difference in something notarized by a licensed tag/title shop, or notary,
over a hand written bill of sale , if you ever end up in court!
just saying, better ways to stay out of jail if one wished to protect themselves
a photo of a lic plate can MAYBE help, but means nothing in court, as any idiot can photo a plate any where any time, hard to prove it came time of sale!
VIDEO the sale, might be better option of wanting to do so as evidence!
just saying LOL
right and agree with youmind you, each state has its own laws, not all will be the same. here in Arkansas, all you need is a bill of sale.
i've done a bill of sale for 28 years, never once had an issue here in Arkansas. as for the pic of his plates ?, I also had the trailer with the atv on it when I took the pic..lol.right and agree with you
but am also saying, that, a Bill of sale on a piece of paper will NOT hold up in court very well as theyc an be faked and just have BAD info on them
leaving you in the end without your money or atv, if it ends up stolen
and you mIGHT end up having to prove YOU didn;t just FAKE a bill of sale too, pending reasons they catch you with a stolen atv!
as think about it, say your a crook
you MAKE a fake bill of sale and then go steal a atv
, does that make you the owner, or keep you out of jail?
you have a bill of sale? RIGHT?
but what is the bill of sale worth if its not certified or notarized >
as I said, just cause they say a bill of sale is all that is needed, push come to shove, you better be able to PROVE the bill of sale is valid
and that picture of a lic plate, I doubt would help much, , as again anyone can take a pic of a lic plate in a parking lot, on hi way or??
SO< how much peace of mind do you want?
here in PA< we HAVE to register an atv if used any where but on your OWN private l;and
they will give you a LIC plate, but its NOT valid to use any where on any road LOL
its a JOKE< but it does help on proving things, as plate would have to match Vin and Title info/registration info too!
its a shame IMO that ALL states don;t have the same rules on vehicles, and a few other things, after all this the USA< and a driver lic is good across the USA< yet, every state has its own silly rules
seems like BS to me