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I read Shadetree's sticky and went back to make sure I was adjusting on TDC of compression stroke - it was. It seems like it could be a carb issue but the valves are the only thing that have changed since the last time I rode. Any idears?
 

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Usually a bog is fuel starvation. Rarely but possible is a very rich condition or plugged up exhaust. I've seen mud dobbers plug an exhaust outlet and the intake before. Other than that I'd at least disassemble the carb. and drain the tank and check the petcock. Tight valves can cause a bog when the engine is very hot also.
 

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No the initial reason for the valve adjustment was just the ticking sound and me being curious to try to perform the adjustment myself. Its a 300ex with Koenig carb. The only diaphram is for the accelerator pump, i believe. i went back and checked the valves and they all had a similar amount of drag on the feeler gauge. They are all very close to .004, but maybe not exactly uniform in the amount of drag when i check each one. They are definately tighter now than before i adjusted them but it still ticks just as much. i dont think the exhaust is clogged BUT the screws have come out of the tip of the muffler so that it is only held in by 1 screw at the moment. Ive experimented with jets and eventually decided the stock 122/38 gives me the least trouble, so thats whats been in there for the past few months. Im gonna dig into the carb again and see what kind of difference that makes. I appreciate the help tho, keep it comin...
 

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We don't know which engine you have but if it has a cam chain I would suggest adjusting it. If the chain adjusts well and the ticking continues perhaps you should pull the cam cover and look at the rockers and cam. Doing so may save you some money in the near future.OOPs.......I reread your 2nd post......EX 300......it has a cam chain
 

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No its a Kiehin carb, i just couldnt think of the name. Ill probably pull it off tonight and go thru it again and then do some research on adjusting the cam chain. The good news is sometimes i have as much fun working on this thing as i do riding it. Bad news is theres a fair chance something bad is gonna happen when i do either one...
 

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So it seems like the timing chain is self adjusting, is that correct? Is it going to be pretty obvious if the chain is too loose, or is there a method to tell? Saw where someone alse was having a similar sound coming from the head area and it was just a loose exhaust bolt, doubt ill get that lucky tho.
 

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It's a 2003. I took the carb off and everything looked fine, sprayed a little carb cleaner and made sure let's were clear and secure. I guess what I really need to find out is what I could have jacked up while adjusting the valves.. are there any possible pitfalls of rotating engine with socket, etc??
 

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Just rotate the motor in its normal direction only. Never rotate it backwards for any reason. Spraying some carb cleaner around is not how a carb is cleaned. Its much more involved than that. I suggest having a tech check it out and clean your carb properly, if it needs it.
 

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I didnt go all the way thru the carb just bc it looked really clean and i really just wanted to make sure the main jet hadnt come loose. A bigger issue may be that i did in fact move the motor backwards a bit to line the mark back up after watching the valves move. i may have misread Shadetree's sticky, but i swear i thought it said to move it back in the other direction to line it back up. Soo, what damage could i have done?
 

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I didnt go all the way thru the carb just bc it looked really clean and i really just wanted to make sure the main jet hadnt come loose. A bigger issue may be that i did in fact move the motor backwards a bit to line the mark back up after watching the valves move. i may have misread Shadetree's sticky, but i swear i thought it said to move it back in the other direction to line it back up. Soo, what damage could i have done?
I'm curious to find out why we should never rotate an engine backwards too.
 

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Because its a poor practice that will bite you often, when you can least afford the consequences.

The reason you don't ever turn the motor backwards is because of the cam chain, tensioner, and chain guides assemblies. They are designed to maintain consistent control in one direction of rotation only. When you turn the motor backwards you transfer the precisely controlled slack half of the chain loop over to the opposite chain guide, which applies force to the tensioner and guides causing the tensioner to compress and the guide to bend. When you resume turning the motor in its intended direction it may require several revolutions for that assembly to restabilize. And who's to say if it might ever be the same again...?

The unique shape of the guide on the slack half of the loop promotes binding if the chain ever moves backwards. You can feel that chain and guide binding up and applying excessive force when you turn the motor over backwards... it turns over with a LOT more drag. So why in the world would someone want to do that?

Precision works require sound work habits. And I'm a very outspoken guy who has already learned these things the hard way. No offense intended, I just cringe when I encounter folks doing something wrong.

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Another reason for never turning a motor backwards is the shape of the camshaft lobes. Those are profiled to operate in one direction of rotation only. The ramps on cam lobes are gradual on the lifting side of the lobes, while on the closing side of the lobes those ramps are much steeper. The valves are gradually accelerated to a full open position, held there for a period of time, then dropped closed as quickly as possible on very steep ramps. The cam followers and lobes can both be damaged (they are forced into a bind, high spring pressures multiply mechanical forces for this binding condition) when a person forces the followers to climb the steep ramps on the closing half of the lobes, which happens whenever a motor is turned backwards.
 

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I doubt that you did any harm turning your motor backwards Bubba3000. Stock Honda motors are very forgiving. I would concentrate on disassembling and soaking that carb good, then blow all passages out clear and reassemble it exactly as the service manual recommends. Carbs can be very difficult to get clean, so you gotta really work at it, spend some time.... and follow the reassembly directions to a T. Have fun!
 
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