[snapshot]

I have no back brakes because they are frozen and the fronts are really weak. I tried to tighten the cables but that doesn't work. I have the wheels off but I don't want to just start aimlessly pulling stuff off that doesn't have to be touched. I there a step by step brake manual and where can I get it.
Thanks

 

[shadetree]

I have no back brakes because they are frozen and the fronts are really weak. I tried to tighten the cables but that doesn't work. I have the wheels off but I don't want to just start aimlessly pulling stuff off that doesn't have to be touched. I there a step by step brake manual and where can I get it.
Thanks

i'm sure helmut can post a pic of it..but i can give you a quick step by step of the back brakes..remove the right rear tire ( remove the axle hub nut instead of the tire )...remove the two axle nuts that are on the axle..remove the spacer..and big silver washer..remove all the brake cover bolts ( 8mm heads )..pry the o-ring from around the center of the axle where it meets the brake drum ( may not have one there ? )..remove the brake drum..iif it doesn't want to budge..remove your brake cables..and knock the brake cables arm backwards..this will put the shoe cam straight..if you got the drum off..you can watch the cam turn backwards and line up with the other side of the brake shoes..remove the shoes..you may have to remove your brake cable arm off the brake cam..most of these sieze up..and need to be knocked out, cleaned up..and greased...hope this helps.

 

[Helmut]

 

[shadetree]

told ya !..lmfao.

 

[bobami]

Thanks Helmut! Timing is everything in life....I am getting ready to do a rear brake job myself this weekend and your pics look better than my Clymer manual. How and where is the brake wear indicator supposed to be hooked up to the brake arm?

 

[shadetree]

Thanks Helmut! Timing is everything in life....I am getting ready to do a rear brake job myself this weekend and your pics look better than my Clymer manual. How and where is the brake wear indicator supposed to be hooked up to the brake arm?

the brake wear indicator is nothing but a roundish looking arrow with splines in the center of the brake arm hole..it just rest just inside the brake arm cable holder on the inside of the brake arm holder cam..most ppl leave them off.

 

[bobami]

I hope its ok to jump into this thread as I am doing a rear brake job on same machine as original poster. If I am out of line and this is not good forum etiquete let me know. Well I started working on my rear brakes today. I was expecting a hassle to get the two big nuts off the axle. I only had one big adjustable wrench so I tried tugging at outside nut for hell of it and both backed off together as they were not on very tight at all. I also noticed there was no tapered washer as shown in Helmuts diagrams behind the inside locknut and up against the big washer so that explained why they came off so easy. Prior dope that owned this machine used some kind of liquid gasket material on the brake cover. It took me an hour to pry the cover off without bending it. Once I got it off I found the big tapered washer between the cover and the brake drum doing nothing. The cover is very badly rusted inside and the dust seal is all dried out and cracked. I followed Helmuts diagrams to the letter of the instruction and had no trouble till I removed the brake drum and saw that the prior owner smeared the gasket goo all over the big O-ring that is on the brake panel. Another 30 minutes to carefully remove it without breaking it and picking off all the dried up goo. Good news is I dont need new shoes there are tons of brake pad on them and they are actually a bit shiny and the springs are real shiny black. Question I have for you guys is the brake cover is real rusty. I used a wire brush wheel to remove most of the rust on inside rim where it will come in contact witht the big O-Ring on the brake panel; should I paint it inside with rustoleum to slow down rust? Also is there a need to apply a liquid gasket material on the brake panel surface that mates with the brake cover? Or is that the purpose of the big O-Ring? I will replace the cracked dust seal on the cover. OR should I get a replacement brake cover? Helmut- BTW I shook the hell out of the machine and the axle was tight inside the bearing no movement at all so I guess bearings are good. Thats all for now will get back at it tomorrow when I hear back on my questions.

 

[Helmut]

Thanks Helmut! Timing is everything in life....I am getting ready to do a rear brake job myself this weekend and your pics look better than my Clymer manual. How and where is the brake wear indicator supposed to be hooked up to the brake arm?

 

[Helmut]

Question I have for you guys is the brake cover is real rusty. I used a wire brush wheel to remove most of the rust on inside rim where it will come in contact witht the big O-Ring on the brake panel; should I paint it inside with rustoleum to slow down rust? Also is there a need to apply a liquid gasket material on the brake panel surface that mates with the brake cover? Or is that the purpose of the big O-Ring? I will replace the cracked dust seal on the cover. OR should I get a replacement brake cover?

I would probably just go ahead and paint it with the rustoleum paint, as long as it doesn't have any holes in it. I would just replace the seal. You shouldn't need any liquid gasket, as long as the o-ring is good, that's the purpose of the o-ring.

 

[Nevaskard]

Anyone have those pics but for the front drums!? i have a 1997 honda fourtrax 2x4 need to replace pads

 

[Helmut]

Anyone have those pics but for the front drums!? i have a 1997 honda fourtrax 2x4 need to replace pads

 

[arits74]

while we are on the subject of brakes,does anyone know of a kit that has everything you need to replace the brakes on the front of a 97 4x4 300 ,shoes,wheel cylinders,seals,springs,i would like to have all the needed parts when i tear into it .i have looked on the internet and cant seem to find a "kit"

 

[bobami]

Getting ready to put the rear brakes back together on my 94 TRX300FW, dealer called and said the weird parts I needed are in. I just noticed the Big Washer that goes against the brake cover is totally smooth on one side and has a ridge indented on it on the other side? Is this normal or could this washer have been scored by the dust seal on brake cover? If so I guess I could just reverse it? Thanks.

 

[Helmut]

Getting ready to put the rear brakes back together on my 94 TRX300FW, dealer called and said the weird parts I needed are in. I just noticed the Big Washer that goes against the brake cover is totally smooth on one side and has a ridge indented on it on the other side? Is this normal or could this washer have been scored by the dust seal on brake cover? If so I guess I could just reverse it? Thanks.

I don't think it matters which way you turn that washer. All it does is to just keep sticks and things from gouging the seal. I think that ridge goes on the inside. I guess that ridge is supposed to be on there, because every one of those washers I've taken off have been like that. I've put them on both ways, though and never had a problem.

 

[bobami]

Thanks Helmut.

 

[bobami]

Picked up all my rear brake parts at delaer today. The O-Ring that fits on axle at back of brake drum is only a fraction of the thickness of the old one I removed when taking off the brake drum. Dealer swears its the right O-Ring and said the old ones swell up?? Ever heard that line?

 

[Helmut]

Picked up all my rear brake parts at delaer today. The O-Ring that fits on axle at back of brake drum is only a fraction of the thickness of the old one I removed when taking off the brake drum. Dealer swears its the right O-Ring and said the old ones swell up?? Ever heard that line?

I don't know, but as long as the top of the o-ring sits up a little higher than the top of the groove it sits in, it'll probably be OK. I've never been able to keep water out of the rear brakes anyway.

 

[bobami]

Started putting front brakes back together in my 94 TRX300FW. Kind of stuck. The brake adjusters are left handed threads and right handed threads. The Clymer manual I am using doesnt mention this? Do the left threads go on left wheel brake cylinders and right threads on right wheel brake cylinders? I did not realize this when I took it apart.

 

[shadetree]

Started putting front brakes back together in my 94 TRX300FW. Kind of stuck. The brake adjusters are left handed threads and right handed threads. The Clymer manual I am using doesnt mention this? Do the left threads go on left wheel brake cylinders and right threads on right wheel brake cylinders? I did not realize this when I took it apart.

i keep the left handed ones on the left side..but..to be honest..i really don't even care which way they face..as long as i stop..i don't care..lol..as for that big silver washer on your back brakes..the dust seal wears this groove in every one i've ever rebuilt..it's normal..and like helmut said..no matter what you do..water will still find it's way inside the rear brakes !.