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There are 2 problems. One its a yamaha.......ugh! And 2 dirtbikes are worth literally zero dollars. I see 2010+ 450r's and 250f's for 1500-2000 with a title in imaculate condition. My brother got a 2012 ktm450exc for 1200 with a title. They just have zero value compared to a quad period.
 

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Plus getting into a 2-stroke machine, you're going to have to rebuild it every year, and possibly once before you're even able to ride it at all.
 
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You'd be making a loss if you did that trade. By all means do the trade but you want cash your way as well as the bike.

As already mentioned, 12 monthly top end builds and it may possibly want attention to the gearbox already due to the 'crash box' abuse it WILL have had.
If it's been used for a beach or desert race, even once, expect an engine build along with every other item that moves, bearings, chain, chain wheels, brakes, seals....

Edit: All the pro MX riders here in the UK ride Honda, Suzuki always make holeshot but the winners..... Yup, there Honda's!
 

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There are 2 problems. One its a yamaha.......ugh! And 2 dirtbikes are worth literally zero dollars. I see 2010+ 450r's and 250f's for 1500-2000 with a title in imaculate condition. My brother got a 2012 ktm450exc for 1200 with a title. They just have zero value compared to a quad period.
Plus getting into a 2-stroke machine, you're going to have to rebuild it every year, and possibly once before you're even able to ride it at all.
You'd be making a loss if you did that trade. By all means do the trade but you want cash your way as well as the bike.

As already mentioned, 12 monthly top end builds and it may possibly want attention to the gearbox already due to the 'crash box' abuse it WILL have had.
If it's been used for a beach or desert race, even once, expect an engine build along with every other item that moves, bearings, chain, chain wheels, brakes, seals....

Edit: All the pro MX riders here in the UK ride Honda, Suzuki always make holeshot but the winners..... Yup, there Honda's!
thank y'all. i've been thinking about getting a 2-stroke atv but i didn't know i'd have to rebuild it every year. but if i ever came across a nice banshee or even a messed up 250r i wouldn't hesitate to get it! lol
 

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Yes, a banshee or 250r would be worth it, definitely. dirt bikes are 'ten a penny' and unless you really know the guy selling it then it's always a gamble as to how long it will be before an overhaul is needed.
 

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OK I am going to say you got a LOT of BAD info here on 2 stroke's needing a rebuild every 12 months or so
thats BULL crap!

I have owned a ton of MX 2 stroke bikes, maybe 50 over the yrs,(benn riding them since the 70's) I raced them , I rode them for yrs on end on same top end!
and many I have had for 10+ yrs and top end rebuilds were far and few
there a motor, like any , the harder you push it the more you use it the faster you will need to rebuild it!
but getting a 150+ hours on a top end is NOT hard at all, and some you can go 300+ or more!
some of my kx 500's I ran for 10 plus yrs and never did a top end on them at all!, hard to beat on a bike that powerful LOl

as for THAT bike, a 1994 yz 250, its a BAD trade for you, due to its a OLDER yz250 , still on a steel frame, not the best suspension, its a 500-700 dollar bike if its in GREAT shape
so what do you think your 400 is worth??
its NOT a terrible bike by any means, its just NOT worth what a decent shape 2001 400 ex is worth (about here there going for about 1200-1500 bucks)

on YZ 250's you want one in the 2004+ range, they are on the aluminum frames and from about here to present there pretty much part interchangeable
the 1998-2001's
were solid bikes, but I liked the aluminum framed bikes better
My 2001 was a super reliable bike, had it several years, NEVER needed a top end, and was a rocket ship of a bike , set up for hare scrambles

as for finding 250-450 4 stroke bikes
there different animals than a 2 strike MX bike
many of the first few yrs 4t mx bikes had a lot of issue's and they cost a LOT more to rebuild

2 stroke MX bikes are simple fast and FUN bikes
 

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I agree with everything mrbb said. 2 strokes arent unreliable at all. Just that bike and almost any bike IMO isnt worth anything resale. It could be just a my area thing? But you almost cant give a bike away around here. No matter the condition, size, anything. Oddly enough if you turn a 450 or 250f into a supermoto style bike they literally triple in value somehow around here.
 

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I disagree, 12 monthly top end build when your riding competitively, without fail. You can't be competitive if you don't. The same as turning tyres every 3rd race and replacing or cutting every 6th race.
It all depends how you ride I guess. I had a trail/enduro CRM125 on the road when I was 18, 10 months and it needed a piston, replaced it with OEM... 11 months later... new piston lol.
 

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Up until my spinal cord injury, which was in 2002, all I ever owned were 2 stroke motocross bikes. And I'm in complete agreement with MRBB and Sam on this one.... 2 strokes, especially 250's and especially if you aren't riding competitively and on a regular basis, are super reliable. Can go a couple of years between rebuilds. And in recent years the used 2 stroke bike market had seen them go up in value, because only a couple companies sell them new now and people are buying up the good used ones for fun, economical, competitive race bikes. But that's for 2000+ model year or newer bikes.

But a 1994 yz.... That is too old to be made competitive and not worth anything in the used bike market, like slammedranger said. That's a bad trade.
 

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I disagree, 12 monthly top end build when your riding competitively, without fail. You can't be competitive if you don't. The same as turning tyres every 3rd race and replacing or cutting every 6th race.
It all depends how you ride I guess. I had a trail/enduro CRM125 on the road when I was 18, 10 months and it needed a piston, replaced it with OEM... 11 months later... new piston lol.
SAM there is HUGE difference in racing and being competitive, than JUST owning and riding a ANY motorized machine
you go and race a 4 stroke and WANT to be at the top of your game and you will be rebuilding almost just as often and the costs will be twice as much
SO< again
a two stroke wins the war in this game too

10 months of riding a bike on the street, is way different than riding a bike on a track and or just trail riding

snowmobiles? most are two stroke, and top ends last 7-8 thousand miles if you ride reasonable
want to push the limits and ride wide open all the time and that distance will get lower, as it would on ANY machine
there are a TON of variable's in how long any motor last
but there is NOTHING wrong with a two stroke motor and they are very reliable, when set up right and cared for , like all other things!

Sam another thing to consider on your case, is a 125 two stroke is a SMALL motor, everything you do with any power being made is at very HIGH RPM"S, so there wear and tear is at a faster rate than larger sized two stroke motors
I couldn;t imagine running a 125 on the street at all, its just going to get killed in short order,a s you experienced!
 

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I agree with everything mrbb said. 2 strokes arent unreliable at all. Just that bike and almost any bike IMO isnt worth anything resale. It could be just a my area thing? But you almost cant give a bike away around here. No matter the condition, size, anything. Oddly enough if you turn a 450 or 250f into a supermoto style bike they literally triple in value somehow around here.
bikes have there hold in many area's
but the facts are, any idiot can ride a ATV, and NOT a motorcycle, a motorcycle requires MORE skills, like it or not! and a rider on a motorcycle(all the more so off road riding or track) needs to be in at least decent shape, where as on a an ATV??
NOT bashing ATV's here, just stating facts, I ride both and know the differences first hand !

and thus this why ATV's sell easier, add in they can be rode pretty much all yr, and they have more selling points!

in my area both things hold value about the same
get on any REAL MX bike forum, and you will still find there is a ton of loyal MX bike folks still out there

and I fully agree, super moto bikes bring crazy prices here, and the funny p[art is, NONE Of them are really decent street bikes, way under powered to run at hi way speeds for any length of time
remember, basic rule of thumb is, you need TWICE the cc's in a 4t as you do in a 2 stroke bike!
I have owned countless 250-300 even 500 cc two stroke bikes and wouldn;t consider any of them proper bikes to run on the street with
corner to corner fun YES< but, your screaming them to run 55-65 for any amount of time
want to talk about needing top end's replaced
run a 250 A stroke on the hi way a few thousand miles in a yr and odds are your in need of one LOL
 

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@mrbb yes smalller engines I agree will wear a hell of a lot quicker, without doubt. You guys also have many more two stroke options over there than I do here, so I take your word for the bigger engines. I should have said, but didn't, that I was talking of MX Bikes, 99% are set up to run WOT hence the need for rebuilds. Remember, all we have here are MC tracks to race or practice on so 99% of the time they don run WOT.
Now I've stopped and thought about it, if an MX bike was a toy used for the desert for example I should imagine you could get more life from the engine. I guess the differences in places to ride from UK to USA make a huge difference to engine longevity due to the nature of riding.
Generally speaking though, in the UK, a 2 stroke MX bike is rebuilt every season.

Trials Bikes on the other hand (trials was my forte) donlast a heck of a long time before wanting a build, my first trials bike, a Yamaha TY175, lasted 6 or 7 years before needing any attention.
 

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Sam, yes when you look at motor's in general, they all have a hour rating, at a certain amount of hours, they require certain things, the quality of the motor and parts in , can add or shorten the time frame
think weed wackers/chain saw and the likes
there are CHEAP junk chain store models and then there are pro grade tools
the amount of time before rebuilds is way longer on Pro grade motors, due to better parts used and tighter tolerances
the pour amount of ROM's smaller two strokes dish out tend to cause them to have shorter rebuild times
when you get into larger two strokes, you will NOT run the wide open many places, you will run out of room, its one of the main reasons they stopped making large 500 cc two stroke MX bikes, no one can run them to there potential, just too much motor to do so!
and that was also why, many of mine lasted so long
the average person, doesn't log in HALF as many hours on a MX bike or even an ATV, to need a rebuild ever yr here in the USA< unless there the exception to the rule
they just don't ride enough

one of the BIG things about MX bikes, is many ride smaller bikes, and thus run the WOT way more often, and all there doing is killing the bike
get a larger motored bike and you will NOT be screaming the death out of it to do the same stuff, and as such it will; last longer
just nature of the best
you run anything at WOT all the time and it will fail sooner than something you only run 1/2 throttle.

when you RACE< long life isn;t part of any part of racing, from tires to chains and sprockets, if you want to be at the top of your game, you replace thing way before needed to try and keep an edge, and your also beating things ten times harder than the average rider out for fun
I raced many many yrs in many types of bike racing, hare scrambles, trails, endoro's, mx track, and even dabbled a little super sportnbkes on the track
also raced trucks and mud bogs, and a little with snowmobiles and jet ski's
so, I know what racing does as to just having fun and a hobby with toys with motors,
its just two different to compare them to! on up keep and costs
 

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Sam, yes when you look at motor's in general, they all have a hour rating, at a certain amount of hours, they require certain things, the quality of the motor and parts in , can add or shorten the time frame
think weed wackers/chain saw and the likes
there are CHEAP junk chain store models and then there are pro grade tools
the amount of time before rebuilds is way longer on Pro grade motors, due to better parts used and tighter tolerances
the pour amount of ROM's smaller two strokes dish out tend to cause them to have shorter rebuild times
when you get into larger two strokes, you will NOT run the wide open many places, you will run out of room, its one of the main reasons they stopped making large 500 cc two stroke MX bikes, no one can run them to there potential, just too much motor to do so!
and that was also why, many of mine lasted so long
the average person, doesn't log in HALF as many hours on a MX bike or even an ATV, to need a rebuild ever yr here in the USA< unless there the exception to the rule
they just don't ride enough

one of the BIG things about MX bikes, is many ride smaller bikes, and thus run the WOT way more often, and all there doing is killing the bike
get a larger motored bike and you will NOT be screaming the death out of it to do the same stuff, and as such it will; last longer
just nature of the best
you run anything at WOT all the time and it will fail sooner than something you only run 1/2 throttle.

when you RACE< long life isn;t part of any part of racing, from tires to chains and sprockets, if you want to be at the top of your game, you replace thing way before needed to try and keep an edge, and your also beating things ten times harder than the average rider out for fun
I raced many many yrs in many types of bike racing, hare scrambles, trails, endoro's, mx track, and even dabbled a little super sportnbkes on the track
also raced trucks and mud bogs, and a little with snowmobiles and jet ski's
so, I know what racing does as to just having fun and a hobby with toys with motors,
its just two different to compare them to! on up keep and costs

Very valid point about larger engines, I had only taken smaller, 250 etc into consideration when I originally posted.
 

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yeah but even a 250 doesn't need a rebuild every yr, as very few folks can run them off road at there peak power
here is my last YZ 250
I rode it 3-4 yrs and sold it, and it never had or needed a top end, and still ran very strong and I bought it used , un known when last top end was done to it, just never needed one , jetted right, correct pre mix with GOOD oil, and they last a LONG time!

it was set up for hare scramble's.endoro's as most all my MX bikes are
heavier fly wheel weight, suspension done, skid plates, Gnarly pipe, bark busters and un breakable AVS levers, larger foot pegs
and they will run like a bear thru the woods if you can hang on to them
next mod up IMO is a the 300 kit, makes things even better off road!
 

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