I suspect strongly the majority of people have not followed the manual regarding valve adjustment, especially at the 20 hr mark, self included. Valve adjustment is not complicated, but technical, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwx_3drOCuw I am confident the majority of ATV owners overlook valve adjusting for years/miles/hours and personally would not do it at 20 hours unless I felt it was needed, i.e., valve clattering and likely wait until the second oil change or another 50 hours or so.Manual states first 20 hr. service to check and adjust valves.
The dealer shift charges 175.00 to do the first service, which includes valve check/adjust.
Has anyone did the valve adjustment/check? Is this necessary?
It's interesting people talk about the dealer doing the all maintenance and how you are "protected". Nothing wrong with them doing it at all. I will have them do my 600 mile service. But if you have an internal engine failure and there is a hint of water in there I bet you could kiss that warranty goodbye. I have all the receipts, old filter and a few pics of me changing the oil. If a dealer told me something wasn't covered due to lack of maintenance I would be calling Honda and then the FTC. There are laws that protect you from situations where your warranty could be denied. Just like adding aftermarket parts doesn't void your warranty.
And here's something interesting, my dealer told me not to worry about changing my oil at the 100 mile/20hr mark. He said you can go up to about 200-300 miles. He also told me not to worry about the valves until the 600 mile service. I changed my oil at 102 miles and I'm glad I did. I was surprised at the amount of shavings in it. Which I'm assuming is NORMAL!?!?!
I agree with you on the maintenance part. Hence why I CHANGED my oil at 102 miles. And didn't listen to what the dealer told me. Like you said, he said she said.I am going to say your WRONG on a few things here, first if the dealer TELLS you NOT to follow the owners manuals SET times for PM"s , HONDA will tell you , your screwed, HAVE the dealer PAY for things if things go wrong, a dealer cannot superseded HONDA"S Spec's for when HONDA requires things done
and GOOD luck getting a dealer to SAY he TOLD you NOT to follow what's in your owners manual?
that's asking for a a HE SAID< SHE SAID conversation , you will end up loosing out on!
NEXT, as for Aftermarket parts NOT voiding a warranty
ANY time you ALTER the design by the maker, you can VOID your warranty, as you did NOT allow it to be used as OEM designed it
NOW will many dealers NOT fix something if you have larger tires on it or a pipe,
NO, MOST will turn a BLIND eye to it
BUT if they wanted to be sticks in the mud YES they most certainly CAN
the burden of PROOF< is tossed around a LOT on the web
some say the OEM must PROVE that the "X" part cause "X" problem
and legally as far as MY understanding goes, NO
it would NOT
all they would have to prove, is it was NOT in OEM condition
you would have to PROVE it DIDN"T cause"X" failure
and that will fall on you to PROVE, can very easy cost you more to do so that worth doing, and OEM"S know this
TAKING pictures?? sound's great, but vide would be better, as anything today can about be MADE
a HONDA dealer( and NO I do NOT use mine for about ANYTHING)
has certified techs, and blah blah blah, BUT when work gets done there, they get the BLAME IF something goes wrong , 10 times more than IF you do it and something fails
this will really come down to YOUR dealer and HOW Much a jerk or OK shop they are
they can BACK you or NOT, when THEY DIDN"T do ":X" work and problems develop
the thing I think MOST atv owners do is this
they BOUGHT a TOY, they use/abuse it, add what they WANT when they WANT< FIX when and as they wish
and IF problems happen, MOST suck it up as" SH!T IT HAPPENS"
so few fight the warranty deal any ways
but YES aftermarket parts can and WILL void warrantys, read the small print on a warranty some time? LOL
Sorry, just is what it is!
welllllllllll, let me just point this out, and I will leave it at that. when I bought my chevy Silverado brand new in '00 ?, I asked the dealer if I could put after market exhaust ( dual pipes ) on it ?, they told me NO, it would void the warranty !. hmmm..time to read up. I contacted a exhaust place that installs exhaust systems on cars and trucks, told them what the dealer said ?, he chimed back, said, here is the deal sir, YOU CAN ADD AFTER MARKET DUAL EXHAUST ON YOUR NEW TRUCK, ONLY IF YOU INSTALL A CAT-BACK SYSTEM ?!. I asked him what this meant ?, he said, anything that is after market that is installed on your truck, bolted, welded, whatever ?, CAN ONLY BE INSTALLED FROM THE CATALATIC CONVERTER BACK !, if you install anything in front of this ?, then yes, you void your warranty !. bottom line, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT AND WHERE YOU INSTALL AFTER MARKET PARTS THAT COULD OR CAN EFFECT YOUR WARRANTY !. can they void your warranty for putting on after market parts ?, no. can they void your warranty if you install after market parts in the wrong place ?, DAMN RIGHT THEY CAN !. toss a snorkel on your brand new atv, sink it, take it to the Honda dealer, see how fast they tell you, you voided your warranty !!!!..lmao.I agree with you on the maintenance part. Hence why I CHANGED my oil at 102 miles. And didn't listen to what the dealer told me. Like you said, he said she said.I am going to say your WRONG on a few things here, first if the dealer TELLS you NOT to follow the owners manuals SET times for PM"s , HONDA will tell you , your screwed, HAVE the dealer PAY for things if things go wrong, a dealer cannot superseded HONDA"S Spec's for when HONDA requires things done
and GOOD luck getting a dealer to SAY he TOLD you NOT to follow what's in your owners manual?
that's asking for a a HE SAID< SHE SAID conversation , you will end up loosing out on!
NEXT, as for Aftermarket parts NOT voiding a warranty
ANY time you ALTER the design by the maker, you can VOID your warranty, as you did NOT allow it to be used as OEM designed it
NOW will many dealers NOT fix something if you have larger tires on it or a pipe,
NO, MOST will turn a BLIND eye to it
BUT if they wanted to be sticks in the mud YES they most certainly CAN
the burden of PROOF< is tossed around a LOT on the web
some say the OEM must PROVE that the "X" part cause "X" problem
and legally as far as MY understanding goes, NO
it would NOT
all they would have to prove, is it was NOT in OEM condition
you would have to PROVE it DIDN"T cause"X" failure
and that will fall on you to PROVE, can very easy cost you more to do so that worth doing, and OEM"S know this
TAKING pictures?? sound's great, but vide would be better, as anything today can about be MADE
a HONDA dealer( and NO I do NOT use mine for about ANYTHING)
has certified techs, and blah blah blah, BUT when work gets done there, they get the BLAME IF something goes wrong , 10 times more than IF you do it and something fails
this will really come down to YOUR dealer and HOW Much a jerk or OK shop they are
they can BACK you or NOT, when THEY DIDN"T do ":X" work and problems develop
the thing I think MOST atv owners do is this
they BOUGHT a TOY, they use/abuse it, add what they WANT when they WANT< FIX when and as they wish
and IF problems happen, MOST suck it up as" SH!T IT HAPPENS"
so few fight the warranty deal any ways
but YES aftermarket parts can and WILL void warrantys, read the small print on a warranty some time? LOL
Sorry, just is what it is!
As far as warranties you're WRONG lol. They can not void your warranty for aftermarket parts. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it illegal for companies to void your warranty or deny coverage under the warranty simply because you used an aftermarket or recycled part. Maybe you need to educate yourself on the fine print of the LAWS lol.
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0138-auto-warranties-routine-maintenance
Agreed. That's exactly my point. You CAN install aftermarket parts and not void your warranty. But if whatever it is you added causes a failure then you're on your own. If you bolt on bigger tires and your engine seizes the next ride, that's the stuff you are covered from.welllllllllll, let me just point this out, and I will leave it at that. when I bought my chevy Silverado brand new in '00 ?, I asked the dealer if I could put after market exhaust ( dual pipes ) on it ?, they told me NO, it would void the warranty !. hmmm..time to read up. I contacted a exhaust place that installs exhaust systems on cars and trucks, told them what the dealer said ?, he chimed back, said, here is the deal sir, YOU CAN ADD AFTER MARKET DUAL EXHAUST ON YOUR NEW TRUCK, ONLY IF YOU INSTALL A CAT-BACK SYSTEM ?!. I asked him what this meant ?, he said, anything that is after market that is installed on your truck, bolted, welded, whatever ?, CAN ONLY BE INSTALLED FROM THE CATALATIC CONVERTER BACK !, if you install anything in front of this ?, then yes, you void your warranty !. bottom line, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT AND WHERE YOU INSTALL AFTER MARKET PARTS THAT COULD OR CAN EFFECT YOUR WARRANTY !. can they void your warranty for putting on after market parts ?, no. can they void your warranty if you install after market parts in the wrong place ?, DAMN RIGHT THEY CAN !. toss a snorkel on your brand new atv, sink it, take it to the Honda dealer, see how fast they tell you, you voided your warranty !!!!..lmao.
how do you know it's your valves ?, it could be your connecting rod ?, cam chain ?, valve seat ?, a bearing ?, there are a few parts in atv motors that make a sound like a bad or lose valve ?..lol. many moons ago, I rebuilt a trx350fm rancher, damn thing sounded great when first started ?, then when I blipped the throttle, I was hearing a rattle/click sound ?, drove me nutzs !, cam chain was brand new, so, I put a brand new cam in, because I thought maybe the decompression lever on old cam was bad ?, nope, same problem, changed valves, nope, changed valve springs, nope, well, come find out, the valve spring seat would work its way out of the head when warmed up ?, I talked to my bud at my local Honda dealership, he told me sure enough, the early trx350 ranchers had a defect in the heads valve seats !.I just followed the manual instructions, kept my own records, and had my valves checked by the dealer. I change the oil myself and keep the receipts and records. So far so good. Just wish my valves weren't so noisy.
bottom line, you must know what your getting into, BEFORE YOU DO IT !..LOL. some mistakes we can live with ?, others ?..well..we will pay the price if it's bad enough !..lol.Agreed. That's exactly my point. You CAN install aftermarket parts and not void your warranty. But if whatever it is you added causes a failure then you're on your own. If you bolt on bigger tires and your engine seizes the next ride, that's the stuff you are covered from.welllllllllll, let me just point this out, and I will leave it at that. when I bought my chevy Silverado brand new in '00 ?, I asked the dealer if I could put after market exhaust ( dual pipes ) on it ?, they told me NO, it would void the warranty !. hmmm..time to read up. I contacted a exhaust place that installs exhaust systems on cars and trucks, told them what the dealer said ?, he chimed back, said, here is the deal sir, YOU CAN ADD AFTER MARKET DUAL EXHAUST ON YOUR NEW TRUCK, ONLY IF YOU INSTALL A CAT-BACK SYSTEM ?!. I asked him what this meant ?, he said, anything that is after market that is installed on your truck, bolted, welded, whatever ?, CAN ONLY BE INSTALLED FROM THE CATALATIC CONVERTER BACK !, if you install anything in front of this ?, then yes, you void your warranty !. bottom line, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT AND WHERE YOU INSTALL AFTER MARKET PARTS THAT COULD OR CAN EFFECT YOUR WARRANTY !. can they void your warranty for putting on after market parts ?, no. can they void your warranty if you install after market parts in the wrong place ?, DAMN RIGHT THEY CAN !. toss a snorkel on your brand new atv, sink it, take it to the Honda dealer, see how fast they tell you, you voided your warranty !!!!..lmao.
And you CAN do your own maintenance. And all you need are basic records of you doing it. BUT you but the filter in backwards you're on your own...
well for starters, your link doesn't work for meI agree with you on the maintenance part. Hence why I CHANGED my oil at 102 miles. And didn't listen to what the dealer told me. Like you said, he said she said.I am going to say your WRONG on a few things here, first if the dealer TELLS you NOT to follow the owners manuals SET times for PM"s , HONDA will tell you , your screwed, HAVE the dealer PAY for things if things go wrong, a dealer cannot superseded HONDA"S Spec's for when HONDA requires things done
and GOOD luck getting a dealer to SAY he TOLD you NOT to follow what's in your owners manual?
that's asking for a a HE SAID< SHE SAID conversation , you will end up loosing out on!
NEXT, as for Aftermarket parts NOT voiding a warranty
ANY time you ALTER the design by the maker, you can VOID your warranty, as you did NOT allow it to be used as OEM designed it
NOW will many dealers NOT fix something if you have larger tires on it or a pipe,
NO, MOST will turn a BLIND eye to it
BUT if they wanted to be sticks in the mud YES they most certainly CAN
the burden of PROOF< is tossed around a LOT on the web
some say the OEM must PROVE that the "X" part cause "X" problem
and legally as far as MY understanding goes, NO
it would NOT
all they would have to prove, is it was NOT in OEM condition
you would have to PROVE it DIDN"T cause"X" failure
and that will fall on you to PROVE, can very easy cost you more to do so that worth doing, and OEM"S know this
TAKING pictures?? sound's great, but vide would be better, as anything today can about be MADE
a HONDA dealer( and NO I do NOT use mine for about ANYTHING)
has certified techs, and blah blah blah, BUT when work gets done there, they get the BLAME IF something goes wrong , 10 times more than IF you do it and something fails
this will really come down to YOUR dealer and HOW Much a jerk or OK shop they are
they can BACK you or NOT, when THEY DIDN"T do ":X" work and problems develop
the thing I think MOST atv owners do is this
they BOUGHT a TOY, they use/abuse it, add what they WANT when they WANT< FIX when and as they wish
and IF problems happen, MOST suck it up as" SH!T IT HAPPENS"
so few fight the warranty deal any ways
but YES aftermarket parts can and WILL void warrantys, read the small print on a warranty some time? LOL
Sorry, just is what it is!
As far as warranties you're WRONG lol. They can not void your warranty for aftermarket parts. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it illegal for companies to void your warranty or deny coverage under the warranty simply because you used an aftermarket or recycled part. Maybe you need to educate yourself on the fine print of the LAWS lol.
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0138-auto-warranties-routine-maintenance