[jobbyslair]

how hard is it to install a 14% gr on a 2000 foreman 450es? i bought one a few years ago but never got around to putting it in since i never really found good instructions for it.

 

[fishfiles]

14.5% on a 450 is about as easy as it can get , the primary gear and clutch basket are right out a 300 , no cutting , welding or grinding to build it , drops right in -----you need to take your right side cover off , remove both clutches and swop the parts , I would suggest a new set of clutches for the change clutch and soak them in oil prior to installing , not a fan of the heavy duty springs that come in the EBC clutch kits as it makes it harder to shift , I would use the stock springs

 

[YellowRancher]

14.5% on a 450 is about as easy as it can get , the primary gear and clutch basket are right out a 300 , no cutting , welding or grinding to build it , drops right in -----you need to take your right side cover off , remove both clutches and swop the parts , I would suggest a new set of clutches for the change clutch and soak them in oil prior to installing , not a fan of the heavy duty springs that come in the EBC clutch kits as it makes it harder to shift , I would use the stock springs

When doing this do you re use your washers that are behind the clutch basket and gear

 

[fishfiles]

yes I did use the one washer with the 14.5 % reduction --------- I have 34.5% on my other 450 , that was a lot harder to install , I had to do a lot of grinding of the case , didn't use the washer on that one as I was told not to , but heard people that say they did ------ the two bikes make a totally different gear train sound , the one with out the washer is louder , but it is a different ratio

 

[SamUK]

The only thing that determines whether to use a washer or not is the length of the primary compared to the stock item and the length of the clutch basket. By length I mean the distance between the inner side and outer side of both gears, where it fits over the shaft. If it's the same then use the washers, if different then make the necessary modifications to ensure a true fit.

Heads up...

If you don't fit the washer to the primary gear you'll get a whining noise, no big deal just annoying.

 

[fishfiles]

some reduction primaries have a recess where the washer fits into the recess and when the washer is in the recess it is flat with the back side of the primary gear , some don't have the recess , I think if the recess is there then you need to use the washer ----

 

[SamUK]

some reduction primaries have a recess where the washer fits into the recess and when the washer is in the recess it is flat with the back side of the primary gear , some don't have the recess , I think if the recess is there then you need to use the washer ----

Absolutely spot on ?

Always worth measuring though, some reductions have the thickness of the washer machined off the face of the gear rather than a recess.

 

[Leethedestroyer]

Ho

yes I did use the one washer with the 14.5 % reduction --------- I have 34.5% on my other 450 , that was a lot harder to install , I had to do a lot of grinding of the case , didn't use the washer on that one as I was told not to , but heard people that say they did ------ the two bikes make a totally different gear train sound , the one with out the washer is louder , but it is a different ratio

How you get 34%?

 

[fishfiles]

I bought the 34.5% , the reduction builders use to be pretty secretive on how they get the different ratios , so I don't really know which gears are used for the 34.5% , Reduction Boss makes the best reductions as far as I am concerned