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Start in gear, late 300's and 350 Ranchers

So I've found that on gen 2 and gen 3 TRX300's, and 350 Ranchers, you can start in gear if you ground the CDI and the starter solenoid.

I really like the factory setup on the later bikes that require you pull the right brake handle to start in gear, especially given that the 350 I'm working on now will be for my daughter.

Is it feasible that I run a wire spliced into the solenoid ground up to the CDI, and tie that wire into the CDI ground there as well....

What I'm thinking is install a 420/500 brake master cylinder assembly with the double micro switches on it (one for tail light, one presumably for the start in gear feature)

Hook the tail lights on the 350 to one of the switches.

On the other switch, put the wire coming off of the CDI/ Solenoid to one terminal, and then a wire coming off the other switch terminal to ground.

Wouldn't this ground the solenoid and CDI when the lever is pulled, only allowing it to start in gear when the brake is pulled back?
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Mel , would be the one to tell you about that ! He seems to be the Guru of all things electrical

seems if I were to take the wire that I have ground and run it to a micro switch that was activated by the hand lever and from the mocro switch to ground , then it would do what you want

I have 3 of them now that start in gear because of reduction gear mods , and it is very dangerous , seems even more so with a reduction as it geared down so low the bike will just about pop a wheelie on crank up , never hit anything yet , but would never let just anyone ride my bikes , especially my wife
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Yeah, that's why I want the brake feature.

I've already picked up a couple of 500 Foreman brake M/C/ Lever assemblies from PSN.

Just making sure I'm hypothesizing (?) this correctly.
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Psh ... only you or Mel would know that Jeep lol
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Does that wire need to be constantly grounded or only temporarily whilst hitting the start button? (I don’t know). If it’s the latter then it will work perfectly jeep.
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Hi Jeep: It's best to use a momentary toggle switch mounted some place on the bike -- If mounted with the brake lever -- each time the brake lever is pulled the starter solenoid will energize with the bike running.

"Sam" just put a flash in my head -- you could use a relay to operate the starter from the start button when the bike is in gear.

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So the starter solenoid is grounded when you hit the start button?

I thought the start button sent + to the solenoid.

I was going off of this write-up on doing the start in gear feature, which recommends permanently grounding the solenoid and CDI, with reportedly no effects on the rest of the bike's function.

Start in gear mod for some honda's by Dynamo - PH Customz
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Hi: I will draw you up a diagram.

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Hi Jeep: This will start the bike in gear just by push in on the start button.

Are you going to be using this on a 300?
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Mel, you give me way to much credit on understanding wiring.

I think I kind of understand what you're trying to tell me, but can you put it in "Red wire goes to 87, green with red tracer goes to 85" etc?

I'm thinking what you're trying to tell me is to have a relay hooked in that would be grounded (engaging the solenoid) when I pull the brake lever, and then actuated when I hit the start button.

So clip yellow from start button, hook starter switch side to 86,
Ground wire from brake lever goes to 85
Battery power is already hooked to solenoid
87 would go to yellow wire leading into solenoid.

Is that right?

Only problem with that is I would have to hit the brake lever to start even in Neutral.

Did I miss something?
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