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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 11-11-2016, 04:39 PM Thread Starter
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Question 1986 Honda 350 fourtrax upper steering sloppy

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What is the procedure for fixing a 1986 Honda 350 fourtrax that has lots of slack in the upper steering column.
Appears to be a bushing worn out but not shown on any parts diagrams.

What is the repair procedure.

I'm a auto and small engine mechanic and have all kinds of tools, but no Honda ATV experience yet!
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here ya go, still being sold, #2, Honda ATV Parts 1986 TRX350 A STEERING SHAFT Diagram . you will need to remove the tie rod from the bottom of the steering shaft, then carter pin, then that large nut, and I highly recommend a air impact driver tool !..lol. it's on there tight !. once you get all that off, you will have to pull the steering shaft all the way out of the steering Colum. this means, all your cables and stuff will need to be removed off the handle bars in order to raise the shaft out of the Colum. then just slide the new bushing up around the steering shaft, then slide the shaft back down inside the Colum, then bolt everything back up. while you have the shaft out ??..NOW IS THE TIME TO REMOVE THE DUST SEAL, SNAP RING, THEN FROM UNDER NEATH, HAMMER THE BEARING OUT AND UP!. it may be stuck/rusty ?, toss some wd-40 on it, then hammer the bearing up and out, make sure to hit both sides or in the middle of the bearing, but the sides is the best, you don't want to knock the center race out ?, or your bearing is gonna bust apart !..lol.

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and welcome to the forums !.

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just a tip : I went one further a few years ago ?, I ran into this same problem with an old trx350, but instead of buying a new bushing ?, I made my own..lol. I found an old bearing race, that was the correct OD diameter , but the inside ID, was a tad too small for my steering shaft to fit down through the race ?, well..after about 2 hours of grinding with my dremel tool with a grinding stone ?, I was able to get the ID perfect size for the steering shaft. then I just hammered the race down in the Colum, presto, home-made bushing..lol. best part ?..IS BEARING RACES ARE TEMPERED ?..THEY WON'T WEAR NEARLY AS FAST AS THOSE STUPID PLASTIC BUSHINGS !. WILL LAST A LIFE TIME TO THE BUYER WHO BOUGHT IT.

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Ok, so I should get at least #2 and 15 and I prefer to have parts I might need before starting? Know of any other parts I should try to have on hand?
See several parts have gone way of dinosaur eggs!

I have the impacts and gear pullers if needed.

Appears I need to leave the #1 stay bracket in place until I pull the shaft out, then maybe easier to remove it for replacing the bearing inside, I'm assuming that the shaft slip fist thru the center bearing race and usually not stuck or seized in the bearing race????.

All the lower stuff when wiggling the handle bars seems a good fit just the upper bushing completely gone.

Thanks for the bushing tip, I've been know to Rube Goldberg better stuff to replace such plastic bushing, I've got all size of pipe and big bits, welders and oxy/acty torchs to make a metal bushing and bucket full of all sizes of bearings.
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Ok, so I should get at least #2 and 15 and I prefer to have parts I might need before starting? Know of any other parts I should try to have on hand?
See several parts have gone way of dinosaur eggs!

I have the impacts and gear pullers if needed.

Appears I need to leave the #1 stay bracket in place until I pull the shaft out, then maybe easier to remove it for replacing the bearing inside, I'm assuming that the shaft slip fist thru the center bearing race and usually not stuck or seized in the bearing race????.

All the lower stuff when wiggling the handle bars seems a good fit just the upper bushing completely gone.

Thanks for the bushing tip, I've been know to Rube Goldberg better stuff to replace such plastic bushing, I've got all size of pipe and big bits, welders and oxy/acty torchs to make a metal bushing and bucket full of all sizes of bearings.
15 is the bearing, and I see a lock nut on top of it ?, it's one of those funky looking lock nuts that you need a spec tool to use to unscrew it from the mounting bracket. yes, unbolt it after you remove the steering shaft. only 4 bolts hold it in the frame. you may as well try to get the top dust seal ( if you can ? ), the bearing, then the lower dust seal ( if you can ? ). do all of it while it's apart. most times the steering shaft never seizes in the bearing race ?, but the bearing sure as heck likes to stay in that dang hole !..lol. like I said, yu'll need to hammer it out from the bottom up. but remove that stupid lock nut first !..lol. I hate this about this model. the later years use a large c-clip to hold the bearing in. I don't even know why Honda went through so much trouble to keep the bearing in there ?, it's not like it's gonna work it's way out !..lol.

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I stumbled across a Service manual for the 86 350 fourtrax on this site and downloaded it. and reviewed the removal process.

I went searching for info about the expensive tool ($60 and up) and found this info where you shadtree was talking to a guy and he rednecked a tool for the locknut.
Here is what I seen in this link at the forum site:

https://www.hondaatvforums.net/forums...rod-print.html

Got a tool, and it was so amazingly simple that it almost hurt. I was waltzing around Princess Auto this AM when I came across a section of large threaded rods, and a rack full of rod joiners. These things were 1 1/4" six sides nuts, about 3" long with thread in the middle to match the large rods. BUT, they fit perfectly inside the star nut on the lower bracket. I then went to see if a 1/2" drive 1 1/4" socket would fit over the joiner. It did--perfectly and voila, I had my tool. Brought it home and extracted that locknut in about 10 seconds.

One guy said he used a piece of square tubing and a pipe wrench.
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I stumbled across a Service manual for the 86 350 fourtrax on this site and downloaded it. and reviewed the removal process.

I went searching for info about the expensive tool ($60 and up) and found this info where you shadtree was talking to a guy and he rednecked a tool for the locknut.
Here is what I seen in this link at the forum site:

https://www.hondaatvforums.net/forums...rod-print.html

Got a tool, and it was so amazingly simple that it almost hurt. I was waltzing around Princess Auto this AM when I came across a section of large threaded rods, and a rack full of rod joiners. These things were 1 1/4" six sides nuts, about 3" long with thread in the middle to match the large rods. BUT, they fit perfectly inside the star nut on the lower bracket. I then went to see if a 1/2" drive 1 1/4" socket would fit over the joiner. It did--perfectly and voila, I had my tool. Brought it home and extracted that locknut in about 10 seconds.

One guy said he used a piece of square tubing and a pipe wrench.
cool ! . yes..you use a 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 tube and a pipe wrench to remove a larger lock nut on the rear differentials on some Honda atvs, the lock nut on the steering bearing is smaller though. was that bushing the correct bushing you needed ?.

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Hey BTW where is the manual for the 86 TRX350? I looked thru all the manuals (i Thot). I noticed my printed manual for the 86-89 series had a revision for pages in Chap 9
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was that bushing the correct bushing you needed ?.

shadetree: you asked the above.

Appears your parts link is correct, but I have not started actually flogging it yet.
I't hunting season right now and I'm going to use it thru season and then take it apart when I don't actually need it's useage.

I just bought it few days ago (has new tires) and it runs and drives good except for the aggravating slop in the upper steering bushing.

Thanks for all the good info.
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