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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 07-30-2018, 07:37 PM Thread Starter
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Anybody ever bought a bike withOUT a title?

The Rancher 420 I bought a couple months ago the owner didn’t have a title. He said the guy he got it from never registered it which is why the original owner never got a title and interns the reason he didn’t have one.

I had a cop friend of mine run the vin and it was not reported stolen and he confirmed it was never registered. He couldn’t even tell me the original owners name. I did get a Signed & Notirized Bill Of Sale with all the info from the bike listed on it at the time of purchase though.

It’s not a huge concern if it’s not possible because it’s basically just a hunting camp bike but I’m curious if it’s possible to get a title for it. I’ve been debating putting insurance on it for theft reasons because I plan to leave it at my hunting camp during hunting season but I’ve read that I need a title in order to get it insured.

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The three I've bought didn't have a title, two from Mississippi and one in Arkansas. Checking the VIN to make sure it's not stolen, along with a bill of sale, is all you need. Arkansas doesn't require registration and I'm not sure if they'll even issue a title. I planned to check into that once I've completed the builds.
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The three I've bought didn't have a title, two from Mississippi and one in Arkansas. Checking the VIN to make sure it's not stolen, along with a bill of sale, is all you need. Arkansas doesn't require registration and I'm not sure if they'll even issue a title. I planned to check into that once I've completed the builds.


Bingo. Bill of sale and VIN #ís are acceptable in LA as well. My bike was bought this way


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The three I've bought didn't have a title, two from Mississippi and one in Arkansas. Checking the VIN to make sure it's not stolen, along with a bill of sale, is all you need. Arkansas doesn't require registration and I'm not sure if they'll even issue a title. I planned to check into that once I've completed the builds.


Bingo. Bill of sale and VIN #ís are acceptable in LA as well. My bike was bought this way


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Every ATV owner in Minnesota who bought theirs here has. New or used. No titles here. Some dealerships hand out token "ownership cards".

The DNR handles trail registrations though so most dealers do that from the start. Can be switched owners at any point in time though, and some people don't register theirs at all.

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I think to get the title legally , you would need to find the original owner and do a double title transfer , from him to the guy you bought it from and then to you , also you would need to hope the original owner bought it in Louisiana and paid the taxes on it when he bought it , if he bought it in Mississippi for say and didn't pay Louisiana taxes , then the original owner would have to pay the taxes on the original sale price when it is transfered
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I think to get the title legally , you would need to find the original owner and do a double title transfer , from him to the guy you bought it from and then to you , also you would need to hope the original owner bought it in Louisiana and paid the taxes on it when he bought it , if he bought it in Mississippi for say and didn't pay Louisiana taxes , then the original owner would have to pay the taxes on the original sale price when it is transfered


Fishfiles is correct. No need to go through the time and money it would take to get it titled when a bill of sale makes you legal


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I think to get the title legally , you would need to find the original owner and do a double title transfer , from him to the guy you bought it from and then to you , also you would need to hope the original owner bought it in Louisiana and paid the taxes on it when he bought it , if he bought it in Mississippi for say and didn't pay Louisiana taxes , then the original owner would have to pay the taxes on the original sale price when it is transfered


Fishfiles is correct. No need to go through the time and money it would take to get it titled when a bill of sale makes you legal


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Seadonist, are you also from Louisiana , I think that is the way it goes around here --------there is some type of vintage title process you can go thru with cars and motorcycles , where you pay a company to do the paper work for you , i don't know if it also could apply to an ATV and doubt it , cause most were never titled when new , I think it was around 2001 or so when they started titling every one of them here ----I think the way it went before that was you only got a title if you financed or payed to get the title , which no one seemed to do back then
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I think to get the title legally , you would need to find the original owner and do a double title transfer , from him to the guy you bought it from and then to you , also you would need to hope the original owner bought it in Louisiana and paid the taxes on it when he bought it , if he bought it in Mississippi for say and didn't pay Louisiana taxes , then the original owner would have to pay the taxes on the original sale price when it is transfered






Fishfiles is correct. No need to go through the time and money it would take to get it titled when a bill of sale makes you legal





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Seadonist, are you also from Louisiana , I think that is the way it goes around here --------there is some type of vintage title process you can go thru with cars and motorcycles , where you pay a company to do the paper work for you , i don't know if it also could apply to an ATV and doubt it , cause most were never titled when new , I think it was around 2001 or so when they started titling every one of them here ----I think the way it went before that was you only got a title if you financed or payed to get the title , which no one seemed to do back then


New Orleans. What you described about sales taxes having to be paid retroactively from previous sales is correct. The state wants their cut every time a bike, boat, vehicle, trailer, RV, etc. is sold. Iím sure one could get permitted for state owned land trail rides with just a BOS as well, in LA at least


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A new way they get their cut , when you sell something , you can't just say $100 cause it needed some repairs , they want the taxes on what it should be worth by year , so for you to sell something for less than blue book you need to pay a certified appraiser to access a valve to it and get a written assessment from him
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