2018 Kodiak 450 vs 2018 Honda Rancher - Honda ATV Forum
ATV General Discussion General Discussions about Honda ATVs.

 24Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-23-2017, 10:21 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
creed82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Arizona
Posts: 675
Liked: 263 times
2018 Kodiak 450 vs 2018 Honda Rancher

Howdy Honda friends,

I've been around a while, and ya'll know I love my 2016 Honda Rancher. I'm a numbers guy, so today I'm posting that I think Yamaha's new Kodiak 450 gives Honda some serious competition. Here's why, by the numbers:

(As I'm a fan of EPS, I'll compare similarly equipped machines, with Power Steering, 4x4, and independent suspension at all four corners.)

Price:
Kodiak 450 EPS (green with black steel wheels) = $6899
Rancher DCT IRS EPS (yellow w/ black steel wheels) = $8099

Engine:
Kodiak = 421cc, 10.0:1 compression, 84.5mm x 75mm bore & stroke, 34mm throttle body, FUEL INJECTION
Rancher = 420cc, 9.9:1 compression, 86.5mm x 71.5mm bore & stroke, 33mm throttle body, FUEL INJECTION

Transmission:
Kodiak = Ultramatic belt-drive with High, Low, Neutral, Reverse, Park (this is a proven transmission, and probably the best design in the belt-drive industry, virtually no belt wear)
Rancher = DCT automatic (gear-on-gear), electric manual shift or "auto" mode, 5 forward speeds, Neutral, and Reverse (also proven, offers true gear selection)

Four-Wheel Drive:
Kodiak = button-activated 4-wheel-drive with open front diff
Rancher = lever-activated 4-wheel-drive with open front diff

Tires:
Kodiak = 25" tires on 12" wheels
Rancher = 24" tires on 12" front and 11" rear wheels

Brakes:
Kodiak = hydraulic disc front, sealed wet brake rear (zero maintenance, highly praised)
Rancher = hydraulic disc front and rear

Suspension:
Both have IRS and comparable preload adjustment.

Suspension Travel:
Kodiak = 6.7" front, 7.4" rear
Rancher = 7.3" front, 8.5" rear

Ground Clearance:
Kodiak = 9.6"
Rancher = 9.2"

Cargo Racks:
Both have comparable, steel racks front and rear.
Kodiak = 88 lbs front, 176 lbs rear
Rancher = 66 lbs front, 133 lbs rear

Tow Rating:
Kodiak = 1322 lbs
Rancher = 848 lbs

Curb Weight:
Kodiak = 650 lbs
Rancher = 686 lbs

Turning Radius:
Kodiak = 10.2 ft
Rancher = 11.5 ft

Fuel Tank:
Kodiak = 3.7 gallons
Rancher = 3.9 gallons

Lighting:
Kodiak = dual front headlights WITH THIRD HANDLEBAR-MOUNTED LIGHT
Rancher = dual front headlights (have to get Foreman or Rubicon for handlebar-mounted light)

Accessory 12V Power Port:
Kodiak = standard equipment
Rancher = not available (have to get Foreman or Rubicon for accessory power outlet)

On-board Storage: (roughly equivalent space)
Kodiak = under the seat
Rancher = behind tail lamp

Style:
Both look awesome, looks are subjective, you decide.

In summary...
1. Yamaha doesn't give up anything to Honda in reliability, and the Kodiak is based on the proven Grizzly 450, but figure in the past 3 years of updates and improvements.
2. It looks to me like there is a real argument for more value in the new 2018 Kodiak.
3. I LOVE my Rancher, but Yamaha is making a very good argument for itself. I bought my 2016 Rancher in December of 2015. Had this new Kodiak been available at the time, the outcome might have been different.
prohonda likes this.
creed82 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 03:34 AM
Super Moderator
Supporting Member
 
SamUK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: England, UK.
Posts: 4,489
Liked: 1964 times
Holy moly!! I never realised how large the turning radio is was, got my 300 down to 8'6" ish with a little tinkering and tow out :-D
I should run 'rings' around my bosses 420 <-- pun intended lol.

That's a good review creed, it seems to me the kodiak is actually (on paper) the better machine, certainly has more plus factors than the Honda. Downside for me is the belt drive, that being said, if it was used for what it was designed for I can't see it posing any issues.
Think I'm right in saying that it's deep water/mud and lack of maintenance that kills belts?
creed82 likes this.

98 300 Fourtrax 4x4

Custom built mud bike - Now sold.

2004 Foreman 450S

Fully overhauled (nut & bolt rebuild), 2 lift kit, 28 mega mayhems, ITP delta rims, ES floorboards, 22 LED lightbar, Pyle Bluetooth sound system.
SamUK is offline  
post #3 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 10:04 AM
Senior Member
 
Manny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 7,352
Liked: 436 times
Yamaha has a very reliable belt drive, the biggest factor people leave out is replacing the grease inside the primary clutch.

I like that Yamaha has a centrifugal clutch given really good engine braking, at the end of the day though, I would still take a Honda over Yamaha any day.
creed82 and redtherocket like this.
Manny is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 10:32 AM
Member
 
SteveStrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 78
Liked: 35 times
I used to have a Kodiak 450 before I sold it and bought my Rancher. In my opinion, as far a belt drive machines go, Yamaha has the best design. Switching from the belt drive to the DCT transmission took a little getting used to, and I wish my Honda had the front diff-lock that the Yamaha had. Other then that, the Honda is the better machine and will hopefully last a very long time.
creed82 likes this.
SteveStrick is offline  
post #5 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 12:37 PM
Senior Member
 
mac102004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,115
Liked: 2018 times
Garage
I was really disappointed with Yamaha's new Kodiak, I think the old Kodiak/Grizzly 450 was a better machine, aside from the lack of EFI. While now the Kodiak gives the Rancher a run for it's money, the old Kodiak was a hands down winner...
taxman and creed82 like this.

2015 Honda Rubicant FM7
- 28" Mud Bugs
- Powermadd Handguards
- ODI Grips

2016 Can-am Renegade 1000R XMR
- 31x11" Outlaws
- NPP Dual Dominators
- Monster Power Tuner + Autotune
- ECM Reflash
- TheBOM Mag+ Cams
- TwinAir Air filter
- Delrin Motor Mounts
- Aluminum Valve Covers
- Gorilla Through Shaft
- TigerTail
- Amsteel Synthetic Winch rope
- Cecco Racing Steering Stem Brace
mac102004 is offline  
post #6 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 02:24 PM
Super Moderator
Supporting Member
 
SamUK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: England, UK.
Posts: 4,489
Liked: 1964 times
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveStrick View Post
I used to have a Kodiak 450 before I sold it and bought my Rancher. In my opinion, as far a belt drive machines go, Yamaha has the best design. Switching from the belt drive to the DCT transmission took a little getting used to, and I wish my Honda had the front diff-lock that the Yamaha had. Other then that, the Honda is the better machine and will hopefully last a very long time.
Your rancher doesn't have a locker? Thought they had an LSD...? My bosses 09 definitely has, we tried it out, works well.

98 300 Fourtrax 4x4

Custom built mud bike - Now sold.

2004 Foreman 450S

Fully overhauled (nut & bolt rebuild), 2 lift kit, 28 mega mayhems, ITP delta rims, ES floorboards, 22 LED lightbar, Pyle Bluetooth sound system.
SamUK is offline  
post #7 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 03:08 PM
Member
 
SteveStrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 78
Liked: 35 times
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamUK View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveStrick View Post
I used to have a Kodiak 450 before I sold it and bought my Rancher. In my opinion, as far a belt drive machines go, Yamaha has the best design. Switching from the belt drive to the DCT transmission took a little getting used to, and I wish my Honda had the front diff-lock that the Yamaha had. Other then that, the Honda is the better machine and will hopefully last a very long time.
Your rancher doesn't have a locker? Thought they had an LSD...? My bosses 09 definitely has, we tried it out, works well.
No diff lock on my rancher, I don't think Honda really had a locker that would give you a true 4 wheel drive until the new style Rubicons which have them now.
My old Kodiak had 4x4, and then 4x4 with the diff lock, which was really good if you didn't feel like doing anything except going straight. Lol
creed82 likes this.
SteveStrick is offline  
post #8 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 03:30 PM
Senior Member
 
mac102004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,115
Liked: 2018 times
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamUK View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveStrick View Post
I used to have a Kodiak 450 before I sold it and bought my Rancher. In my opinion, as far a belt drive machines go, Yamaha has the best design. Switching from the belt drive to the DCT transmission took a little getting used to, and I wish my Honda had the front diff-lock that the Yamaha had. Other then that, the Honda is the better machine and will hopefully last a very long time.
Your rancher doesn't have a locker? Thought they had an LSD...? My bosses 09 definitely has, we tried it out, works well.
Big difference between a LSD and Locker. Honda has their "torque sensing" front diff which works OK, it was a step up from the old 300's front diff anyway, at least you could apply front brakes and get power to the correct front tire most of the time. But it's still not as good as being able to flip a switch and have it locked solid, zero slip. The 2014 Foreman was the first Honda to have this feature, about 10+ years behind everyone else haha. The older Kodiak's or Grizzly 450's as they were called in the US had this as well, which was great. Now the new Kodiaks they did away with it to cut costs.....

2015 Honda Rubicant FM7
- 28" Mud Bugs
- Powermadd Handguards
- ODI Grips

2016 Can-am Renegade 1000R XMR
- 31x11" Outlaws
- NPP Dual Dominators
- Monster Power Tuner + Autotune
- ECM Reflash
- TheBOM Mag+ Cams
- TwinAir Air filter
- Delrin Motor Mounts
- Aluminum Valve Covers
- Gorilla Through Shaft
- TigerTail
- Amsteel Synthetic Winch rope
- Cecco Racing Steering Stem Brace
mac102004 is offline  
post #9 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 03:42 PM
Super Moderator
Supporting Member
 
SamUK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: England, UK.
Posts: 4,489
Liked: 1964 times
Yeah, I understand how they work, a locker at the flick of a switch would be ideal I must admit. My 300 works a treat now, I shimmed it up a touch, great in the mud holes.
My bosses 420 works really well though for a stock diff, it's either broken or one that Honda got right haha
creed82 likes this.

98 300 Fourtrax 4x4

Custom built mud bike - Now sold.

2004 Foreman 450S

Fully overhauled (nut & bolt rebuild), 2 lift kit, 28 mega mayhems, ITP delta rims, ES floorboards, 22 LED lightbar, Pyle Bluetooth sound system.
SamUK is offline  
post #10 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-24-2017, 03:46 PM
Super Moderator
Supporting Member
 
SamUK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: England, UK.
Posts: 4,489
Liked: 1964 times
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveStrick View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamUK View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveStrick View Post
I used to have a Kodiak 450 before I sold it and bought my Rancher. In my opinion, as far a belt drive machines go, Yamaha has the best design. Switching from the belt drive to the DCT transmission took a little getting used to, and I wish my Honda had the front diff-lock that the Yamaha had. Other then that, the Honda is the better machine and will hopefully last a very long time.
Your rancher doesn't have a locker? Thought they had an LSD...? My bosses 09 definitely has, we tried it out, works well.
No diff lock on my rancher, I don't think Honda really had a locker that would give you a true 4 wheel drive until the new style Rubicons which have them now.
My old Kodiak had 4x4, and then 4x4 with the diff lock, which was really good if you didn't feel like doing anything except going straight. Lol
Yeah it's a workout trying to steer them with a front locker haha
The only way to get around that is to run a higher ratio front diff, then you have to learn to accelerate as you turn, more you accelerate faster it pulls you around. Still hard to hold on full lock though.
creed82 likes this.

98 300 Fourtrax 4x4

Custom built mud bike - Now sold.

2004 Foreman 450S

Fully overhauled (nut & bolt rebuild), 2 lift kit, 28 mega mayhems, ITP delta rims, ES floorboards, 22 LED lightbar, Pyle Bluetooth sound system.
SamUK is offline  
Reply

  Lower Navigation
Go Back   Honda ATV Forum > Honda ATV Discussions > ATV General Discussion

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Honda ATV Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in













Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome