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Oil change - oil recommendations?

I am getting ready to perform my first ATV oil change. I do my personal vehicles all the time, so I wanted to go ahead and get these used ATV's that I just purchased for my boys (check my sig for models) out of the way. No telling what the previous owners did. Just wondering if it is ok to use Mobil 1 Full Synthetic that was made for a car? I picked up some 0-40 Mobil 1 and not sure if I should use it or wait for the Powersports dealer to open for the 4 stroke stuff? Is there any difference?

I keep hearing about Amsoil, I don't mind spending the money, is this recommended?

Lastly, I have the 08 TRX450ER that isn't even broken in yet. Do I need a certain oil for breakin period?

PS. If anyone happens to have the Suzuki 50 2 Stroke shop manual, hook me up! I can't find it anywhere!

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once u goto syn oil u have to clean the crap out of it to go back to a reg oil and when i do break ins since u cant get the break in oil no more at the car dealers like chevy i use like a small amount of oil treatment u can get some at advanced auto they have a cheap brand i use it for honing putting bearings in cars break ins but i wouldnt go syn

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I use full synthetic in all my cars. Royal Purple. I don't mind spending $8 a quart on any of these things, especially when they take 1.6 quarts or less. I remember reading somewhere that you can't use any oil in an ATV that says "xxxxx" on the back, but now I can't find it.

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It can't have any friction modifiers or molybdenum additives. Don't use if it says "Energy Conserving". The API service classification should be SG or higher. Should be JASO T 903 standard: MA or MB. It should say on the bottle whether or not it meets these qualifications.

Most 4-wheeler problems are caused by a loose nut connecting the handlebars and the seat!!

You only need two tools in life -- WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
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It can't have any friction modifiers or molybdenum additives. Don't use if it says "Energy Conserving". The API service classification should be SG or higher. Should be JASO T 903 standard: MA or MB. It should say on the bottle whether or not it meets these qualifications.
Thanks Helmut, the 0W-40 Mobil One that I purchased is API Service SM and the label is blank where others say Energy Conserving on the Label on the back. It says European Car Formula. The reason I picked 0w-40 is that Amsoil makes the exact same oil for ATV's and calls it their ultimate all weather formula for 4 cycle engines. My manual does say that I can use molybdenum or no molybdenum additive oil.

Here is examples of what you are talking about...
Click the image to open in full size.

I assume this would be a safe oil to use, even during a break-in period?

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Does it meet the JASO T 903 standard of MA or MB? According to my 450R service manual it needs to.

Most 4-wheeler problems are caused by a loose nut connecting the handlebars and the seat!!

You only need two tools in life -- WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
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Does it meet the JASO T 903 standard of MA or MB? According to my 450R service manual it needs to.
It says on the back, MB-Approval 229.5....BUT

After reading the following two articles, I changed my mind on the Mobile 1 European Car Formula, I think I'll be going to purchase oil specifically formulated for 4-stroke motors and never again ask about a car/truck oil in an ATV. Amsoil 0W-40 AFF if I can find it in the stores! (updated, just realized that amsoil is only sold by dealers or authorized resellers., I guess I'll just go to honda tomorrow and obtain the exact oil the bike calls for)


AMSOIL "Study of Motorcycle Oils"

and this one:

Do not use car motor oils in Bikes

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2001 Suzuki LT A50
2003 TRX300EX
2006 Polaris Sportsman 90 - 2 inch lift
2006 TRX250EX - Maxxis Razrs
2007 Suzuki King Quad 700 4x4 - ITP Mudlite XL
2008 TRX450ER - No Lid, HRC Kit, 162 Main, 45 pilot, 55 leak jet


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