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Old 05-19-2010, 03:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rancher AT - Won't Shift Out of First Gear

2005 TRX400FA Won't shift out of first gear. When in Drive the dash display reads out "- -" instead of "D". Any ideas or thoughts are welcome.
This is my second post on this problem. After 84 views & no responses I can only assume that I need to see my dealer to have this problem diagnosed?
I need some experienced advice, please help.
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Old 05-19-2010, 03:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I wish I could help you, but I don't know anything at all about the Hondamatic CVT trannys.

Is it flashing any trouble codes on the display? If it is, here is a link to a thread about retrieving the codes.

http://www.hondaatvforums.net/forums...her-400at.html

Those have the same type of tranny as the Rubicon 500. Here is a link that describes how they operate.

2001 Honda Rubicon Hondamatic hydraulic transmission

I don't know if any of this will help or not, but this is all I know to tell you. Sorry I couldn't help you more.
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That was the same problem i had with mine. I know that the angle sensor can cause that, but im still not sure whats wrong with mine , but ive replaced the angle sensor thats not it. Do you have trouble getting it to say that its in neutral? (N) Instead of (--)
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Thanks Helmut. You seem to be the "5 Star General" of the site. I was hoping you would weigh in!
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I was reading your posts earlier. Was hoping I could follow you to an answer!

I put the gear shift in to "D" ; I get "- -" & it stays in first gear. I've got "N" & I got "R". In the owners manual it mentions "- -" but it talks about a blinking "- -". Mine doesn't blink.

It didn't happen suddenly. The first time, I got "- -" I took off in first gear & got the RPM's up & it shifted in to second & the dash display went to "D". It was good after that until I shut it off.
The second time it took longer. The display read "- -" & I had to get it warmed up & dam near red lined it & then it went into second gear & the display went to "D". It was good after that too!
Now it just stays "- -" & in first gear.

I'm old school. Give me a 69 Dodge Charger & I'll make it sing; I haven't caught up with this electronic & hydrostatic BS yet!

Sounds like we got the same bug!
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I wish I could help you, but I don't know anything at all about the Hondamatic. I wouldn't know where to start, I've never owned or worked on one. Saber6 would probably know more than anyone else on here, but I don't know how often he gets on here.
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Yeah seems about the same. Ill let u know when i get mine fixed what the problem was.
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Helmut, thanks for the problem code retrieval sheet! That was a huge help!
I'm coming up with 11 blinks, which crosses to a "PCM Fail Safe Relay Circuit".
I've got a shop manual on order & was hoping it would come today but not the case.

Curiousity is killing me; So what exactly does "Fail Safe Relay Circuit" mean?
Is it a specific relay that I can replace or is it more of a wiring harness with miles of wire & multiple connections that I need to trace through?

Many thanks for any info you can provide!

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Alot of times the ECU fail safe relay circuit is a probable faulty part,Mainly the ECU.. Have you Checked the connections at the ecu for moisture?
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Helmut, thanks for the problem code retrieval sheet! That was a huge help!
I'm coming up with 11 blinks, which crosses to a "PCM Fail Safe Relay Circuit".
I've got a shop manual on order & was hoping it would come today but not the case.

Curiousity is killing me; So what exactly does "Fail Safe Relay Circuit" mean?
Is it a specific relay that I can replace or is it more of a wiring harness with miles of wire & multiple connections that I need to trace through?

Many thanks for any info you can provide!

Ol'Roy
Have you checked your shift linkage to see if it's out of adjustment? I don't know if that's your problem, but take a look at this thread from another forum. This thread is about a Rubicon, but the Rancher AT uses the same tranny. The trouble codes will have different numbers, though, but that don't matter because you've already read your trouble codes and know what it is. If this isn't the problem, then my guess would be a bad ECU.

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