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Old 07-13-2012, 08:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arrow Oil not showing on dipstick? honda 420 trx

I searched for this and i didn't find anything that close related so i thought i would post. I'm sort of a newbie when it comes to ATV's "just got it last year".. so be easy on me, ok?... OK?!!?! lol j/k

I bought a 2011 honda trx 420 canadian trail edition last year. So i did an oil change "*second oil change*, the first one was at the honda dealer, they wanted to do the first one for some reason".. but anyway, i let it warm up before i drained it and i also replaced the oil filter. I used "GN4 genuine 4-stroke motorcycle oil, SAE 10W-30 SJ".

The thing is, i filled it up with 2.8 liters, but none is showing on the dipstick. I looked at where i put the oil in, and it's filled to the top. I did what the manual said and let it idle for 5 minutes, shut it off and wait 2-3 minutes, then check the oil, nothing... and yes, i did put the oil in the right hole!

Also, the honda dealer told me to put in 2.8 liters, which i did, but i read in the manual that it calls for 3.6-3.8 liters of oil.. kinda weird.. it's filled up though with 2.8 liters but nothing is showing on the dipstick at all, i even screwed the dipstick in and nothing touches it... did i do something wrong?

Sorry for the long story, but if you can help me i will luv you long time! lol Thanks
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Make sure that you are on level ground. and otherwise maybe rock the machine back and forth to get the oil moving.
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I always go with the what the manual says, if like said above, you're on leval ground and it's not showing on the dipstick, it's not full. And do not run it with low oil!!!!!!
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You definately need around 4 liters. You may have to let the oil circulate a little bit before you are able to add the remainder of the oil. By the way, the reason that the dealer wanted to do the first oil change is simple: $$$$$$$
You could have don't it yourself and saved a lot of money.
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As you mentioned above, you "looked where I put oil in and its filled to the top". If so, the dipstick would have to go into the oil when you put it in as that's also the hole where you fill it up. Otherwise as the others stated, make sure you're on level ground. The manual says fill with: 2.7L after draining, 2.8L after draining and filter change, 3.1L after disassembly. the oil can take a while to circulate throughout the engine after an oil change.
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Also, the honda dealer told me to put in 2.8 liters, which i did, but i read in the manual that it calls for 3.6-3.8 liters of oil.. kinda weird.. it's filled up though with 2.8 liters but nothing is showing on the dipstick at all, i even screwed the dipstick in and nothing touches it... did i do something wrong?
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You definately need around 4 liters. You may have to let the oil circulate a little bit before you are able to add the remainder of the oil. By the way, the reason that the dealer wanted to do the first oil change is simple: $$$$$$$
You could have don't it yourself and saved a lot of money.
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Welcome to the forums. Which model 420 Rancher do you have? Remember there's two different models of the 420 Rancher. The foot shift or ES model holds 2.8 liters and the auto tranny model holds 3.6 liters.
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I think the trail edition is auto tranny, so I guess it does take 3.6L, thus probably why the oil doesn't show.
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I think post a pic and then you will know for sure.
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Josh 6897, this is jdp, Did ya think bout using a thicker oil when you break it in? I did the same thing with my Honda 300 and it Runs like a top, Let me tell ya why they need a thicker oil, lets say you have the factory oil, when you warm up ur not gettin enough cushion between the bearing and the interals, and it wont get the thicker coating of oil it needs, see when oil is warm it thins down, and 10w oil will thin down to 5w when warmed up, now 15w40 oil, 40 is thw eight of the oil and when it warms up the oil thins out to 15w and thats what you want, you want that extra cushion, (" I run mine like that year round cause I talked to the mechanic and my honda dealer and thats what he said") ( I change my oil once a year cause i dont run it that much, and I keep it cleaned up too).
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Thanks for your reply's everyone, i got up this morning and i checked the oil and it was on the dipstick finally (about half way to the full mark), i guess it just takes four - eight hours to circulate through the engine. I put almost the rest of the third bottle of oil in so that would be around 2.9 liters. It says in my manual though "after draining and oil filter change 3.6 US qt (3.6 liters)".. so i'm missing 0.6 liters. When i was draining the oil i even jacked the atv up in the back and more oil drained out, i also ran it before i drained it to get the oil thinner. (Maybe i didn't warm it up enough? i had it running for about 3-5 minutes or so..) Oh, and yes, i had it on an even surface the whole time (garage floor)...C'Mon people! Have a little faith in me! lol

Ummm well it's automatic and manual.. you can choose which one to use. When it's in manual all you gotta do is let off the gas, shift up, and apply gas again... there's no clutch involved. So i'm not sure if it would take more oil then a regular standard or not. When it's in auto, just apply the gas and go..lol.

Oh and Sabre54, there's one hole to the left of the engine to fill up the oil and another hole on the right side of then engine to check how much oil is in it (dipstick).

So yeah, my problem is solved, i just had to wait longer to check it (even though my manual says to wait 2-3 minutes after shutting it off to check it).. but i'm still confuzled about how i'm missing 0.6 liters of oil. Also, i checked the manual to see if i have the right one for my atv, and yes, i do. I also checked the oil about 10 times in a 2 hour period before coming on here and asking for help.. (just so nobody tells me to have some patience!)

Thanks again everyone.

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